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I believe the £2 Child Flat Fare off peak ticket is still available for Gold card season ticket holders?

I assume this covers travel anywhere in the Gold card area? Excepting individual TOC restrictions like Virgin Trains :( Are there any other restrictions?

What is concerning is that there does not seem to be any written information about this anywhere.

I know that they are only available from ticket offices rather than online - although it doesn't even highlight these tickets online and National Rail Enquiries don't know about them either. But also the gold card discount information on Nationa Rail's website doesn't mention it and even your own forum ticketing guide doesn't seem to have this information!
 
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Well this is what is confusing because I managed to buy one from East Midlands Trains St Pancras Ticket office last weekend for a trip from Liverpool Street to Witham:

Ticket type: CHILD FLTFARE R
Start Date: 18 Jun 16
Valid Until: 17 Jly 16
From: London Terminals
To: Witham
Route: Any Permitted
Price: £2.00

£2 Off peak return - you get a 2 part return - 2 tickets.

In fact I have been buying these 2/3 times a year for several years now. I was prompted to look things up again because my Son is now over 11 so cannot travel on London Underground free of charge so wanted to check if the £2 tickets cover that but they don't.

I get the impression that they cannot take this discount away as it was inherited from the old Network South East area discounts (although there was a price hike back in 2012 from £1 to £2) but they are certainly not advertising the fact anywhere and probably don't want to so that it just dies away.

I will check at St Pancras ticket office tomorrow as I am planning a trip to Weymouth which is within the Gold card area and will see if I can obtain that ticket type for that trip from Waterloo.
 
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Oh, those.

No, those are £2 child flat fare when accompanied by an adult tickets offered by GTR (Great Northern) only. Nowt to do with the Gold Card, and not so far as I know offered by SWT (though a number of the ex-NSE TOCs do offer a kids-for-a-quid Family Travelcard deal or similar).

http://www.thameslinkrailway.com/tickets-and-fares/off-peak/

The Gold Card child discount (still absolutely excellent value) is as I state above.
 

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No, nothing to do with Great Northern - tickets I bought at the weekend were for Greater Anglia service out of Liverpool St. And I specifically asked for a Gold Card £2 child flat rate fare and had to show my gold card.

Yes, I have seen the TOC offerings but they tend to be Day travelcard deals - this gives you an off peak return, return within 1 month.
 

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Checked at St Pancras this morning.

And yes, the £2 Gold Card Child flat fare rate does not exist anymore but some TOCs have offers at their discretion.

Generally anything South West or North West of London do not offer these deals but Southern, South East, Anglia, Thameslink and Northern do. For South East there are even £1 offers! These are off peak return tickets not just day returns.

Even though I was asking for a £2 Gold card child flat rate ticket for Liv St to Witham they were just giving me the offer that Greater Anglia trains do.

In many cases these offers seem to be ongoing indefinitely and maybe stem from when the old system was changed. I would therefore contend that they should be available online or at least Network Rail should point them out on their discount literature- and indeed this information should be in the Rail Forums literature.

Interestingly you do not need to go to a ticket office for the TOC in question in order to get the discount (even though they say that on their websites) - Perhaps St Pancras is considered a 'National' ticket office and therefore you can get any of these tickets from there.

As mentioned, unfortunately South West trains do not offer this deal. I am planning a trip from Market Harborough to Weymouth. Mkt Harb is not in the Gold card area so this is why I was looking at splitting tickets (Mkt Harb to Waterloo, Waterloo to Weymouth) and getting the discount. However, I have now found out that purchasing a striaght thru ticket works out cheaper even if the £2 discount was still in place! Still don't understand why straight thru is cheaper than splitting but there you go.

Thanks everyone.
 
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As mentioned, unfortunately South West trains do not offer this deal. I am planning a trip from Market Harborough to Weymouth. Mkt Harb is not in the Gold card area so this is why I was looking at splitting tickets (Mkt Harb to Waterloo, Waterloo to Weymouth) and getting the discount. However, I have now found out that purchasing a striaght thru ticket works out cheaper even if the £2 discount was still in place! Still don't understand why straight thru is cheaper than splitting but there you go.

Thanks everyone.

What about splitting at Bedford, on the edge of the Gold Card zone? Off Peak Day Return fares are £47.45 adult and £13.65 child from there.
 

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SWT have an offer on at the moment too. So an Off Peak Day Return from London Waterloo to Weymouth is £16 for an Adult, and £3 for a child, provided you book buy midnight the day before travel.

https://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/offers--days-out/offers/promotion/

Beaten to posting lol..having used the SWT offer myself last week (to Weymouth no less!) I was in the middle of proposing either a further (ie also London) or different (ie London instead of Bedford) split myself.

That might work particularly well if, as has been posted previously, Thameslink continue with a version of the original child offer....

I can't check the fares myself as I'm on my phone with woeful wifi.

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Remember that there is no requirement for the splits for the adult and child ticket to be the same. eg The child ticket might hypothetically be (I can't check!) a Thameslink £2 return Bedford to St Pancras, a free ride on the tube to Waterloo for a child and then a £3 SWT return Waterloo to Weymouth. Different adult splits could similarly be probed.
 
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£2 Off peak return - you get a 2 part return - 2 tickets.

In fact I have been buying these 2/3 times a year for several years now. I was prompted to look things up again because my Son is now over 11 so cannot travel on London Underground free of charge so wanted to check if the £2 tickets cover that but they don't.

I get the impression that they cannot take this discount away as it was inherited from the old Network South East area discounts (although there was a price hike back in 2012 from £1 to £2) but they are certainly not advertising the fact anywhere and probably don't want to so that it just dies away.

I will check at St Pancras ticket office tomorrow as I am planning a trip to Weymouth which is within the Gold card area and will see if I can obtain that ticket type for that trip from Waterloo.


There are various child flat fare deals in place in the South East.

Southeastern - Kids for a Quid
Abellio Greater Anglia - Child Flat Fare

Southern and Thameslink also have a £2 flat rate accompanied child fare for £2 for most off-peak journeys not wholly within London.

Family Travelcards (with a flat £1 or £2 child fare) are also available from many stations in the south east. A cursory search suggests it's offered by Abellio Greater Anglia, c2c, London Midland and Southern, plus elsewhere where it's not clearly advertised. I'll have a look in the fares database for any other areas it's offered from a bit later on.

Because I work within Zones 1-6, I don't volunteer this information when I sell tickets. There are reasons for this - the powers that be don't want people travelling solely within London to have these cheap child tickets or group discounts, plus I know better than to sell people tickets they didn't explicitly ask for - believe me, it causes more problems than it is worth. However, I'm more than happy to sell them if they're requested and I think you should make a point of asking specifically for such tickets.

Family Travelcards are available from the stations listed below (Thameslink/Great Northern not included in this dataset) and are offered by the following TOCs;

C2C
Chiltern Railways
First Great Western
Greater Anglia
London Midland
London Overground
Southern
Thameslink/Great Northern
TFL Rail

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ALBRIGHTON
ALDERMASTON
ALDRINGTON
ALRESFORD ESSEX
ALSAGER
ALTHORNE ESSEX
ALVECHURCH
AMBERLEY
ANGMERING
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APPLEFORD
APSLEY
ARUNDEL
ASCOTT-U-WYCH
ASHFORD INTL
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IVER
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ORE
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There are reasons for this - the powers that be don't want people travelling solely within London to have these cheap child tickets or group discounts,

However, anyone with an 11-15 zip Oyster card gets a 75p flat off-peak fare within zones 1-6 and a £1.50 off-peak daily cap within zones 1-9 so it's not all that bad. Anyone in the age range can get these cards (not just London kids) and they cost £15 for up to 5 years cheap travel.
 

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However, anyone with an 11-15 zip Oyster card gets a 75p flat off-peak fare within zones 1-6 and a £1.50 off-peak daily cap within zones 1-9 so it's not all that bad. Anyone in the age range can get these cards (not just London kids) and they cost £15 for up to 5 years cheap travel.

Though if travelling as an organised group, trusting parents to sort them out before the event is a nuisance. The Group Travelcard is all very well but presently can't be bought from NR stations and requires the group to travel together, which these other options don't. Hence using these tickets from a station near the Z6 boundary as a bit of a legal "dodge".
 

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However, anyone with an 11-15 zip Oyster card gets a 75p flat off-peak fare within zones 1-6 and a £1.50 off-peak daily cap within zones 1-9 so it's not all that bad. Anyone in the age range can get these cards (not just London kids) and they cost £15 for up to 5 years cheap travel.

Whilst that is true, I get a high footfall of tourists and visitors from other parts of the UK passing through my home station. For many of these people, that isn't really an option. If I send them to the nearest Oyster outlet to pick up Oyster Cards (I do mention Visitors discount), they come back wanting a paper ticket for the children. A small number have clocked onto the better deal available with outboundary Travelcards and if they ask for them, I'll sell them.
 

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Checked at St Pancras this morning.

And yes, the £2 Gold Card Child flat fare rate does not exist anymore but some TOCs have offers at their discretion.

Generally anything South West or North West of London do not offer these deals but Southern, South East, Anglia, Thameslink and Northern do. For South East there are even £1 offers! These are off peak return tickets not just day returns.

Even though I was asking for a £2 Gold card child flat rate ticket for Liv St to Witham they were just giving me the offer that Greater Anglia trains do.

In many cases these offers seem to be ongoing indefinitely and maybe stem from when the old system was changed. I would therefore contend that they should be available online or at least Network Rail should point them out on their discount literature- and indeed this information should be in the Rail Forums literature.

Interestingly you do not need to go to a ticket office for the TOC in question in order to get the discount (even though they say that on their websites) - Perhaps St Pancras is considered a 'National' ticket office and therefore you can get any of these tickets from there.

As mentioned, unfortunately South West trains do not offer this deal. I am planning a trip from Market Harborough to Weymouth. Mkt Harb is not in the Gold card area so this is why I was looking at splitting tickets (Mkt Harb to Waterloo, Waterloo to Weymouth) and getting the discount. However, I have now found out that purchasing a striaght thru ticket works out cheaper even if the £2 discount was still in place! Still don't understand why straight thru is cheaper than splitting but there you go.

Thanks everyone.

The Greater Anglia flat fare was recently made permanent for accompanied children on all walk up return tickets.
 

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Does make you wonder why all the TOCs were so enthusiastic to run away from the kids' flat fare bit of GroupSave, doesn't it? Most of them seem to have reinstated it in some confusingly slightly different form or other.
 
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