Grand Central West Riding HST clearance

[TheWalrus]

Hi

I know there is a problem with HSTs on the West Riding services, so I was wondering what is it stopping them from operating these services? Is it something that can be sorted easily? Or would they be clear if they avoid Pontefract?

Cheers,

Ryan

 

[Jordy]

Lack of selective door opening I believe, won't be a problem once all the coaches have been through refurb as SDO is being fitted.

 

[TheWalrus]

Ah Thanks !

 

[87019Chris]

Its because hsts are not cleared past wakefield kirkgate so cannot get to bradford

 

[Lampshade]

Funny how HSTs are cleared for the Whitby branch yet in the 35 years they've been operating no one has thought to take a HST to Bradford Interchange :?

 

[ainsworth74]

Funny how HSTs are cleared for the Whitby branch

Really hock:

When did HSTs run on the Whitby line?

 

[Aictos]

Funny how HSTs are cleared for the Whitby branch yet in the 35 years they've been operating no one has thought to take a HST to Bradford Interchange :?

Didn't InterCity East Coast used to serve Bradford Interchange with a number of HST services?

Not sure of the route taken though, did they go via Leeds, Wakefield Westgate and onto Doncaster that way?

 

[Lampshade]

Really hock:

When did HSTs run on the Whitby line?

From 3:30: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF5h5V4E2FA&feature=related

 

[Failed Unit]

Didn't InterCity East Coast used to serve Bradford Interchange with a number of HST services?

Not sure of the route taken though, did they go via Leeds, Wakefield Westgate and onto Doncaster that way?

Yes normal route in Leeds and reverse. It stopped once electrification happened. Went via new pudsley.

 

[TheWalrus]

Its because hsts are not cleared past wakefield kirkgate so cannot get to bradford

Whys that?

 

[87019Chris]

Never botherd to clear them on this route.

 

[TheWalrus]

Never botherd to clear them on this route.

Couldn't they try and clear them? Would it cost much to do it?

 

[ainsworth74]

Couldn't they try and clear them? Would it cost much to do it?

Why would they bother? They have the 180s that are cleared, just leave HSTs to Sunderland runs.

 

[TheWalrus]

Why would they bother? They have the 180s that are cleared, just leave HSTs to Sunderland runs.

If the HSTs were cleared, then GC could be more efficient in their diagramming, therefore reducing costs and benefiting from economies of scale.

 

[ainsworth74]

If the HSTs were cleared, then GC could be more efficient in their diagramming, therefore reducing costs and benefiting from economies of scale.

You diagram HSTs onto Sunderland runs exclusively so they spend their days shuttling back and forth between KGX and SUN. The remaining Sunderland diagrams and the Bradford diagrams are covered by 180s. What economies of scale and efficiency gains are to be had by running HSTs to Bradford?

 

[9K43]

Whys that?

HST,s have been through Kirkgate from Neville Hill down to Sheffield via Horbury Jct, to Barnsley.
Also off the Midland at Oakenshaw Jct, through Kirkgate upto Westgate to Leeds.
Also via Turners Lane to York via Norminton, Castleford to Church Fenton to York and return.
Someone is giving you duff gen.
I know cos I have worked HST's from Donny over the routes refered to above.
This was due to engineering work on the MML at Royston and Donny.

 

[TheWalrus]

You diagram HSTs onto Sunderland runs exclusively so they spend their days shuttling back and forth between KGX and SUN. The remaining Sunderland diagrams and the Bradford diagrams are covered by 180s. What economies of scale and efficiency gains are to be had by running HSTs to Bradford?

For example: They could run SUN-KGX, KGX-Bradford, instead of waiting around for the next Sunderland, so they could make unit efficiencies there. Also it means staff don't sit around for over an hour say, where GC are paying them to do so. Another efficiency made would be better use of platform capacity at Sunderland, Bradford and London KX.
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HST,s have been through Kirkgate from Neville Hill down to Sheffield via Horbury Jct, to Barnsley.
Also off the Midland at Oakenshaw Jct, through Kirkgate upto Westgate to Leeds.
Also via Turners Lane to York via Norminton, Castleford to Church Fenton to York and return.
Someone is giving you duff gen.
I know cos I have worked HST's from Donny over the routes refered to above.
This was due to engineering work on the MML at Royston and Donny.

Are you saying they would be ok to go to Bradford do you think?

 

[Sir_Clagalot]

The HSTs dont 'wait around for the next Sunderland' for hours on end, turn round time on the HST diagrams (unless the overnighter) is approx 1 hour. The set that works in on the 0918 from SUN sits at either Ferme Park or Bounds Green until about half 6 when it heads in to work the 1948 to BDI.

 

[D6975]

HST,s have been through Kirkgate from Neville Hill down to Sheffield via Horbury Jct, to Barnsley.
Also off the Midland at Oakenshaw Jct, through Kirkgate upto Westgate to Leeds.
Also via Turners Lane to York via Norminton, Castleford to Church Fenton to York and return.
Someone is giving you duff gen.
I know cos I have worked HST's from Donny over the routes refered to above.
This was due to engineering work on the MML at Royston and Donny.

But none of these is the route we're talking about. The route in question is Kirkgate - Mirfield - Brighouse - Halifax - Bradford.

 

[TheWalrus]

turn round time on the HST diagrams (unless the overnighter) is approx 1 hour. The set that works in on the 0918 from SUN sits at either Ferme Park or Bounds Green until about half 6 when it heads in to work the 1948 to BDI.

Exactly

 

[ainsworth74]

Exactly

Exactly what? You failed to quote Sir Clagalot when he said:

The HSTs dont 'wait around for the next Sunderland' for hours on end

When I read his post it sounds to me that unless the HST is diagrammed last train of the day off Sunderland and then first off Kings Cross then they don't spend all day hanging around.

I still don't see any reason to spend time and money on clearing HSTs to Bradford, when there isn't really a need. But to be honest this all seems to be a bit of a storm in a teacup.

 

[TheWalrus]

I'll have a look at the timetable later.

 

[GC180]

The HST's have been route cleared to Bradford Interchange (no plan to use them on the route though)

 

[TheWalrus]

The HST's have been route cleared to Bradford Interchange (no plan to use them on the route though)

Really?? Oh thats good!

 

[tbtc]

GC have got bigger things to worry about

 

[TheWalrus]

GC have got bigger things to worry about

Like?

 

[GNERman]

Like?

Yeah i'll second that, LIKE??? :neutral:

 

[Crossforth]

Yeah i'll second that, LIKE??? :neutral:

Only a guess but the potential competition from GNER/ GNWR?

But even then, they are not advanced enough yet... surely?

 

[tbtc]

Like?

Like actually running the services they are meant to be running?

Like making a profit on five coach trains to Bradford where all the passengers would fit into a 153 (without exaggeration)

HSTs to Bradford are fairly low on that list of priorities...

 

[YorkshireBear]

Like actually running the services they are meant to be running?

Like making a profit on five coach trains to Bradford where all the passengers would fit into a 153 (without exaggeration)

HSTs to Bradford are fairly low on that list of priorities...

Yeah west riding isnt parituclarly succesful and reliability issues HST refit etc are much more important