Great Northern 313 Withdrawals

[reddragon]

Stored - 313.024-25,28,43,53,56 (6)

Any more stored?

 

[trainmania100]

Anyone know which 313s are on tonights drag?

062/063

 

[bramling]

062/063

Made a sad sight passing through Hitchin a few minutes ago. 37884 leading 313062 with 063 on the back, disappearing into the night. Very sad to see these going.

 

[Class319&373]

Just saw it go through St Neots, it was tailing at 700 so it passed slow, 313063 seemed to have been vandalised badly.

 

[bramling]

Just saw it go through St Neots, it was tailing at 700 so it passed slow, 313063 seemed to have been vandalised badly.

Seems like these two managed something of a turnout considering the time of day. 313063 was of course the unit which hit the stop blocks at Walton-on-Naze many years ago, sadly Booths will get to do what that stop block didn’t manage to fully achieve. RIP.

 

[malc-c]

Video uploaded to my Youtube channel

As others have mentioned, 063 didn't look her best

 

[43096]

With just over half an hour before it's timed start RTT is still showing it as un-activated and FRGT rather than a designation.... makes me wonder if it will run ?

Just been allocated
522T

Which is not the headcode!

 

[trainmania100]

Which is not the headcode!

5Q25 if anyone requires.

 

[malc-c]

Which is not the headcode!

I'm only reporting what RTT changed the FRGT designation to... not all of us here are in "the know" like others

5Q25 if anyone requires.

Many thanks for the correction

 

[Class315]

There is another move destined for Newport tomorrow, 11:30 departure from Hornsey depot. The units expected to embark on their final journey are 313028 & 043.

 

[trainmania100]

Paths for tomorrow.
Light engine from Leicester 0E55
https://live.rail-record.co.uk/rail/liverail/train/577315/24/06/19

5Q78 to Newport SIM Group.
https://live.rail-record.co.uk/rail/liverail/train/577210/24/06/19

 

[Dart34518]

Class 313 Scrap Moves up to 24/06/19:


Monday 8th April 5Q56 10+52 Hornsey to Newport Docks 57312 & 313026
Tuesday 9th April 5Q25 19+24 Hornsey to CF Booths 57312 & 313055
Thursday 11th April 5Q54 10+18 Hornsey to Kingsbury 57312 & 313050
Monday 3rd June 5Q56 10+52 Hornsey to Newport Docks 57312 & 313123/313031
Monday 10th June 5Q78 10+52 Hornsey to Newport Docks 57312 & 313027/313029
Monday 17th June 5Q78 10+52 Hornsey to Newport Docks 57312 & 313018/313046
Thursday 20th June 5Q25 19+24 Horney to CF Booths 37884 & 313062/313063
Monday 24th June 5Q78 11+30 Hornsey to Newport Docks 57312 & 313028/313043

 

[reddragon]

So now current status is: -

Scrapped - 313.018,23,26-29,31,43,46,50,55,62-3 (13)
Stored - 313.024-25,53,56 (4) - surely must be more now?
Southern - 313.001-17,19-20 (19)
NR - 313.021 (1)
GN - 313.022,30,32-42,44-45,47-49,51-52,54,57-61,64 (27)

 

[lordbusiness]

Always liked the 313. I Remember them coming through Huntingdon on delivery when I was at school, usually in pairs about 0830 hauled by a 31. First real 'modern' EMU I saw. We even did a couple of trips to WGC just to see them!

 

[Railperf]

Class 313 Scrap Moves up to 24/06/19:


Monday 8th April 5Q56 10+52 Hornsey to Newport Docks 57312 & 313026
Tuesday 9th April 5Q25 19+24 Hornsey to CF Booths 57312 & 313055
Thursday 11th April 5Q54 10+18 Hornsey to Kingsbury 57312 & 313050
Monday 3rd June 5Q56 10+52 Hornsey to Newport Docks 57312 & 313123/313031
Monday 10th June 5Q78 10+52 Hornsey to Newport Docks 57312 & 313027/313029
Monday 17th June 5Q78 10+52 Hornsey to Newport Docks 57312 & 313018/313046
Thursday 20th June 5Q25 19+24 Horney to CF Booths 37884 & 313062/313063
Monday 24th June 5Q78 11+30 Hornsey to Newport Docks 57312 & 313028/313043

I noted the 313s to Newpoet Docks being towed through Gospel Oak yesterday. Great trains in their time..but in a sad condition now. Wont be sorry to see them go.

 

[Ladder23]

Any way to tell which units/ when they will be dragged, would like to see some pass by on there last trip.

 

[daniel1234321]

Any way to tell which units/ when they will be dragged, would like to see some pass by on there last trip.

Look for STP working from Hornsey EMUD (XHE) on realtime trains. Usually go on Mondays and Thursdays.

 

[swat]

Is there much in the way of prep done before a tow? Or is it just, couple up, brakes off and away we go? Presumably there some mechanism to drop the pantograph and lift the shoe? I imagine that’s a manual process?

 

[387star]

The southern ones are dire
No air con in this heat and no choice of seats. The seats all face one another which encourages people to put feet on seats. The great northern ones have a comfier seat.


Main issue is they are only three coaches. They have now been on the west coastway for nearly a decade
I avoid them. If going to Brighton wait for an ex Southampton even though they stop at a few more stations

 

[aleggatta]

Is there much in the way of prep done before a tow? Or is it just, couple up, brakes off and away we go? Presumably there some mechanism to drop the pantograph and lift the shoe? I imagine that’s a manual process?

When the Southern's 313's were going for overhaul, the shoes were cable tied up, and all MCB's were tripped with the exception for the brake control MCB's IIRC. This enabled the brake continuity wire to still work as a brake continuity wire and the unit's batteries didn't go flat (even though units were aux'd off). I imagine it's the same sort of process for the scrap haulage.

 

[D365]

Always liked the 313. I Remember them coming through Huntingdon on delivery when I was at school...

OT but is that the school which is now Hinchingbrooke?

 

[Fincra5]

The southern ones are dire
No air con in this heat and no choice of seats. The seats all face one another which encourages people to put feet on seats. The great northern ones have a comfier seat.


Main issue is they are only three coaches. They have now been on the west coastway for nearly a decade
I avoid them. If going to Brighton wait for an ex Southampton even though they stop at a few more stations

They're old trains. The Seats are fine, they're seats. Alight there's no Airline Seats but really.... Next you'll be moaning there's no 1st Class. No AirCon isn't a new thing on any PEP train its all the same. When they're moving the fresh air is fine. I prefer it! 3 Coaches is a bit short for some services but fine for most off-peak. I agree SN ones probably shouldn't be going to Portsmouth (ex BTN) but then we don't have the stock to replace them.

 

[gc1982]

Are Southern likely to take the odd GN 313 for expansion, cover or spares? or can we safely say all 44 GN examples will be sent straight to scrap?

 

[jon0844]

Even if none of the GN 313s go there, I expect all the parts that still work will be coming off and being used to maintain the remaining Southern units. Should keep them going for longer than they'll remain in service.

Some of the GN 313s weren't in bad shape and had been given various upgrades. I can see that many of the bodyside lights are much brighter on some than others, and the interior lighting was switched to retro-fit LED tubes. I don't know if they'd remain compatible with the Southern units (did they get different light fittings after the refurb?).

 

[Fincra5]

Even if none of the GN 313s go there, I expect all the parts that still work will be coming off and being used to maintain the remaining Southern units. Should keep them going for longer than they'll remain in service.

Some of the GN 313s weren't in bad shape and had been given various upgrades. I can see that many of the bodyside lights are much brighter on some than others, and the interior lighting was switched to retro-fit LED tubes. I don't know if they'd remain compatible with the Southern units (did they get different light fittings after the refurb?).

I keep hearing about a couple of Units for Christmas Tree's but not heard anything concrete! Spare are needed; especially seeing as a lot of stuff isn't made anymore. SN 313's got LED Lighting Tubes in their DDA Mods.

 

[JohnElliott]

Are Southern likely to take the odd GN 313 for expansion, cover or spares? or can we safely say all 44 GN examples will be sent straight to scrap?

They should have taken 018 just to make the numbering tidy

 

[swt_passenger]

I keep hearing about a couple of Units for Christmas Tree's but not heard anything concrete! Spare are needed; especially seeing as a lot of stuff isn't made anymore. SN 313's got LED Lighting Tubes in their DDA Mods.

Hasn’t there already been spares recovery from other similar units that have already been to Eastleigh for that purpose, such as SE 508s and at least one 314?

It would be interesting to know exactly what parts SN might need that could only come off a dual voltage 313?

 

[Fincra5]

Hasn’t there already been spares recovery from other similar units that have already been to Eastleigh for that purpose, such as SE 508s and at least one 314?

It would be interesting to know exactly what parts SN might need that could only come off a dual voltage 313?

Tbh I don't know. I'm not a Fitter down at Lovers. But you hear all sorts chatting to Shunters and Co lol.

 

[aleggatta]

Hasn’t there already been spares recovery from other similar units that have already been to Eastleigh for that purpose, such as SE 508s and at least one 314?

It would be interesting to know exactly what parts SN might need that could only come off a dual voltage 313?

it's not that the parts would only be acceptable if they came off a DV 313, just that they have them available and can get the specific components required and nothing extra or missing. I remember once there was a door pocket that was destroyed by vandalism, it would have been great to just rob the whole door pocket off an old unit, but because there weren't any available an interesting repair had to be made with ply... I know that Traction motors were in short stock (I think some of the Southern stock of traction motors came from a heritage railway somewhere) but realistically these would probably have to be removed at final disassembly location. Likewise Compressors and Motor-Alternators aren't in massive supply generally. A lot of the stock shortage is simply due to a lack of it in the stock rotation system. Yes a lot of these components are probably shared with other units, but that doesn't make sourcing the components any easier necessarily?

 

[swt_passenger]

it's not that the parts would only be acceptable if they came off a DV 313, just that they have them available and can get the specific components required and nothing extra or missing. I remember once there was a door pocket that was destroyed by vandalism, it would have been great to just rob the whole door pocket off an old unit, but because there weren't any available an interesting repair had to be made with ply... I know that Traction motors were in short stock (I think some of the Southern stock of traction motors came from a heritage railway somewhere) but realistically these would probably have to be removed at final disassembly location. Likewise Compressors and Motor-Alternators aren't in massive supply generally. A lot of the stock shortage is simply due to a lack of it in the stock rotation system. Yes a lot of these components are probably shared with other units, but that doesn't make sourcing the components any easier necessarily?

That’s all I was thinking, hence posing it as a question. BR era stock must have loads of common components after all.