Great Northern Class 700 diagrams?

[Hadders]

I am empty 12 car 700 pass through platform 1 at Stevenage around 1530 today with Three Bridges showing on the front. Assume it was some sort of test run.

If the surprise services that might run through the core/be cancelled at Finsbury are additional services then that’s fine but if they are existing services then I don’t think that is acceptable.

 

[Skimble19]

Less of a surprise from what I have heard. Passengers to be kicked off at Finsbury Park and the train marked as cancelled. Then runs ECS to Horsham, or at least through the core.

That certainly shouldn’t be the case, would go down like a lead balloon! For starters one is meant to be replacing a service that doesn’t even stop at Finsbury..

With regards to the increase in 700 diagrams from the 19th - it’s been split and some will be starting on 26th March instead. Will post the details later.

 

[Failed Unit]

That certainly shouldn’t be the case, would go down like a lead balloon! For starters one is meant to be replacing a service that doesn’t even stop at Finsbury..

With regards to the increase in 700 diagrams from the 19th - it’s been split and some will be starting on 26th March instead. Will post the details later.

Thank you. Be good to know we can enjoy having a seat a bit longer. I see a lot of de branded 365s on the route now. Any reason for the delay? They are not short of 700s. So is driver training not as advanced as they had hoped? Irrespective good news for the passengers.

 

[Fred26]

The reason for the delay in introduction is driver training, and platform staff training. On the platform staff front it has been a bodge job by GTR, relying on staff wanting to work overtime in order to get them trained, rather than booking staff off shift, as it should be. Plenty of staff don't work overtime so will never be trained. This is very bad news for passengers.

 

[Failed Unit]

The reason for the delay in introduction is driver training, and platform staff training. On the platform staff front it has been a bodge job by GTR, relying on staff wanting to work overtime in order to get them trained, rather than booking staff off shift, as it should be. Plenty of staff don't work overtime so will never be trained. This is very bad news for passengers.

Interesting to know, but surely this is good news for passengers as the reduction in seats is delayed? Unless of course the May timetable is at risk which of course is bad.

 

[Skimble19]

Interesting to know, but surely this is good news for passengers as the reduction in seats is delayed? Unless of course the May timetable is at risk which of course is bad.

Agree with what Fred says above other than all Platform staff will be trained, extra dates now being added in during the week to ensure this happens (which should have happened in the first place IMHO!), it is considered a very high priority to have all Platform staff trained. As for it being good news for passengers that the increase in 700 services is delayed: I guess so, but for the sake of a month I'm not sure it's worth getting excited about.

Anyway, those services that will now be starting on 26/03 are as follows:

Southbound
1P41 - 0510 PBO to KGX
2P91 - 0547 PBO to KGX
1P09 - 0726 PBO to KGX
1R47 - 0732 RYS to KGX
1P53 - 0847 PBO to KGX
2R41 - 1001 LET to KGX
2P45 - 1018 PBO to KGX
1T29 - 1158 ELY to KGX
1P63 - 1247 PBO to KGX
2P53 - 1419 PBO to KGX
1P67 - 1447 PBO to KGX
1P69 - 1547 PBO to KGX
2T61 - 1747 CMB to KGX
1P73 - 1803 HUN to KGX
1T25 - 2059 ELY to KGX
2V67 - 2334 WGC to KGX

Northbound
1P42 - 0722 KGX to PBO
2P06 - 0834 KGX to PBO
1T14 - 1014 KGX to ELY
1P50 - 1122 KGX to PBO
2P14 - 1234 KGX to PBO
1P54 - 1322 KGX to PBO
1P56 - 1422 KGX to PBO
2T22 - 1605 KGX to CMB
1P60 - 1622 KGX to HUN
2C28 - 1722 KGX to CBG
1T10 - 1914 KGX to ELY
2R38 - 1938 KGX to LET
2R50 - 2234 KGX to RYS
2P58 - 0034 KGX to PBO

Codes: KGX = Kings Cross, PBO = Peterborough, ELY = Ely , CMB = Cambridge North, CBG = Cambridge, RYS = Royston, LET = Letchworth, HUN = Huntingdon

 

[Fred26]

Platform staff not being trained is bad news for two reasons - if you're in need of a ramp, you won't get it. More importantly, if the train fails and needs to terminate it will be a very slow process as the driver will have to do it alone.

 

[Hadders]

Seems to be more testing of 700s on GN today.

Just left Stevenage London bound on a 387, starting from platform 4 as it’s going via Hertford. A 12-car 700 (not in passenger use) was in platform 2 and left just before us going up the mainline showing a destination of Brighton. At the same time a VTEC service ran through on platform 1.

 

[Skimble19]

Noticed that my post above has been quoted elsewhere with some queries. To answer the main one:
The trains from the previous list I put up that arent on the list above will still be starting on 19/02/18

 

[jon0844]

Seems to be more testing of 700s on GN today.

Just left Stevenage London bound on a 387, starting from platform 4 as it’s going via Hertford. A 12-car 700 (not in passenger use) was in platform 2 and left just before us going up the mainline showing a destination of Brighton. At the same time a VTEC service ran through on platform 1.

There are a LOT of drivers to train up for these so you'll see lots of 700s out in the day and night.

 

[Failed Unit]

Noticed that my post above has been quoted elsewhere with some queries. To answer the main one:
The trains from the previous list I put up that arent on the list above will still be starting on 19/02/18

Previous list post 476 and 479 if interested.

Glad that my train is on the list of late conversions. Get a seat for an extra 5 weeks.

 

[Skimble19]

Those services that will now be starting on 26/03 are as follows:

Southbound
1P41 - 0510 PBO to KGX
2P91 - 0547 PBO to KGX
1P09 - 0726 PBO to KGX
1R47 - 0732 RYS to KGX
1P53 - 0847 PBO to KGX
2R41 - 1001 LET to KGX
2P45 - 1018 PBO to KGX
1T29 - 1158 ELY to KGX
1P63 - 1247 PBO to KGX
2P53 - 1419 PBO to KGX
1P67 - 1447 PBO to KGX
1P69 - 1547 PBO to KGX
2T61 - 1747 CMB to KGX
1P73 - 1803 HUN to KGX
1T25 - 2059 ELY to KGX
2V67 - 2334 WGC to KGX

Northbound
1P42 - 0722 KGX to PBO
2P06 - 0834 KGX to PBO
1T14 - 1014 KGX to ELY
1P50 - 1122 KGX to PBO
2P14 - 1234 KGX to PBO
1P54 - 1322 KGX to PBO
1P56 - 1422 KGX to PBO
2T22 - 1605 KGX to CMB
1P60 - 1622 KGX to HUN
2C28 - 1722 KGX to CBG
1T10 - 1914 KGX to ELY
2R38 - 1938 KGX to LET
2R50 - 2234 KGX to RYS
2P58 - 0034 KGX to PBO

Codes: KGX = Kings Cross, PBO = Peterborough, ELY = Ely , CMB = Cambridge North, CBG = Cambridge, RYS = Royston, LET = Letchworth, HUN = Huntingdon

For the avoidance of any doubt, services starting this month are as below:

12/02/18

1P94 - 1737 KGX to PBO 12 Car FLU

19/02/18 - All are RLU (8 Car)

Southbound
2P21 - 0410 PBO to KGX
1C01 - 0514 CBG to KGX
2Y83 - 0703 WGC to KGX
1R45 - 0713 RYS to KGX
1C49 - 0756 CBG to KGX
1P51 - 0816 PBO to KGX
2R35 - 0836 LET to KGX
1P57 - 0946 PBO to KGX
1T33 - 1258 ELY to KGX
2Y91 - 1639 WGC to KGX
1T69 - 1658 ELY to KGX
1R55 - 1713 RYS to KGX
1T17 - 1858 ELY to KGX
2P63 - 1916 PBO to KGX
2P65 - 2016 PBO to KGX
1P85 - 2244 PBO to KGX

Northbound
2P02 - 0634 KGX to PBO
1P44 - 0822 KGX to PBO
1T18 - 1114 KGX to ELY
1T34 - 1514 KGX to ELY
1R38 - 1617 KGX to RYS
1P64 - 1712 KGX to PBO
1T02 - 1714 KGX to ELY
1P18 - 1837 KGX to PBO
1P70 - 1842 KGX to PBO
1P78 - 2022 KGX to PBO
1P80 - 2122 KGX to PBO
1P32 - 2207 KGX to PBO

 

[APUK002]

Less of a surprise from what I have heard. Passengers to be kicked off at Finsbury Park and the train marked as cancelled. Then runs ECS to Horsham, or at least through the core.

Hmm ,maybe

 

[APUK002]

For the avoidance of any doubt, services starting this month are as below:

12/02/18

1P94 - 1737 KGX to PBO 12 Car FLU

19/02/18 - All are RLU (8 Car)

Southbound
2P21 - 0410 PBO to KGX
1C01 - 0514 CBG to KGX
2Y83 - 0703 WGC to KGX
1R45 - 0713 RYS to KGX
1C49 - 0756 CBG to KGX
1P51 - 0816 PBO to KGX
2R35 - 0836 LET to KGX
1P57 - 0946 PBO to KGX
1T33 - 1258 ELY to KGX
2Y91 - 1639 WGC to KGX
1T69 - 1658 ELY to KGX
1R55 - 1713 RYS to KGX
1T17 - 1858 ELY to KGX
2P63 - 1916 PBO to KGX
2P65 - 2016 PBO to KGX
1P85 - 2244 PBO to KGX

Northbound
2P02 - 0634 KGX to PBO
1P44 - 0822 KGX to PBO
1T18 - 1114 KGX to ELY
1T34 - 1514 KGX to ELY
1R38 - 1617 KGX to RYS
1P64 - 1712 KGX to PBO
1T02 - 1714 KGX to ELY
1P18 - 1837 KGX to PBO
1P70 - 1842 KGX to PBO
1P78 - 2022 KGX to PBO
1P80 - 2122 KGX to PBO
1P32 - 2207 KGX to PBO

Did you miss out the 1000 service from Letchworth to London,it was in the long list posted earlier?

 

[APUK002]

Agree with what Fred says above other than all Platform staff will be trained, extra dates now being added in during the week to ensure this happens (which should have happened in the first place IMHO!), it is considered a very high priority to have all Platform staff trained. As for it being good news for passengers that the increase in 700 services is delayed: I guess so, but for the sake of a month I'm not sure it's worth getting excited about.

Anyway, those services that will now be starting on 26/03 are as follows:

Southbound
1P41 - 0510 PBO to KGX
2P91 - 0547 PBO to KGX
1P09 - 0726 PBO to KGX
1R47 - 0732 RYS to KGX
1P53 - 0847 PBO to KGX
2R41 - 1001 LET to KGX
2P45 - 1018 PBO to KGX
1T29 - 1158 ELY to KGX
1P63 - 1247 PBO to KGX
2P53 - 1419 PBO to KGX
1P67 - 1447 PBO to KGX
1P69 - 1547 PBO to KGX
2T61 - 1747 CMB to KGX
1P73 - 1803 HUN to KGX
1T25 - 2059 ELY to KGX
2V67 - 2334 WGC to KGX

Northbound
1P42 - 0722 KGX to PBO
2P06 - 0834 KGX to PBO
1T14 - 1014 KGX to ELY
1P50 - 1122 KGX to PBO
2P14 - 1234 KGX to PBO
1P54 - 1322 KGX to PBO
1P56 - 1422 KGX to PBO
2T22 - 1605 KGX to CMB
1P60 - 1622 KGX to HUN
2C28 - 1722 KGX to CBG
1T10 - 1914 KGX to ELY
2R38 - 1938 KGX to LET
2R50 - 2234 KGX to RYS
2P58 - 0034 KGX to PBO

Codes: KGX = Kings Cross, PBO = Peterborough, ELY = Ely , CMB = Cambridge North, CBG = Cambridge, RYS = Royston, LET = Letchworth, HUN = Huntingdon

Ah its here,moved to start in 26th.

 

[JonathanPrince]

Hmmm - I had assumed this thread had finished as I hadn't been notified of any other replies... it seems not!

Just spend an hour reading through replies - thank you for the diagrams! Hopefully I'll manage to get one of the first ones on Monday.

You can say what you like about the interior (and it appears you have been...) but at least they're a little more interesting to look at from the outside - they've got 'tusks'!

The number of places you will be able to get to from Cambridge with 1 change using the new TL services will be great, especially with crossrail.

Could I ask if all the previously mentioned weekend services are starting this month, or are some of them delayed to March too?

 

[Skimble19]

Hmmm - I had assumed this thread had finished as I hadn't been notified of any other replies... it seems not!

Just spend an hour reading through replies - thank you for the diagrams! Hopefully I'll manage to get one of the first ones on Monday.

You can say what you like about the interior (and it appears you have been...) but at least they're a little more interesting to look at from the outside - they've got 'tusks'!

The number of places you will be able to get to from Cambridge with 1 change using the new TL services will be great, especially with crossrail.

Could I ask if all the previously mentioned weekend services are starting this month, or are some of them delayed to March too?

Will double check weekends but I would imagine a good chunk of them will also now be starting in March.

For those wondering about the two Peterborough - Horsham services, the week commencing February 25th is currently looking likely.

 

[jon0844]

Will double check weekends but I would imagine a good chunk of them will also now be starting in March.

For those wondering about the two Peterborough - Horsham services, the week commencing February 25th is currently looking likely.

And Cambridge to Brighton it seems now. Glad they sorted the issues to run in public service throughout.

9J52 Horsham - Peterborough
9J58 Horsham - Peterborough
9J57 Peterborough - Horsham
9J63 Peterborough - Horsham

9S24 Brighton - Cambridge
9S39 Cambridge - Brighton

There will be some changes to existing services to accommodate these 12 car trains, and services will be announced as 'via St Pancras' from the north and 'via London Bridge' from the south.

London Terminals tickets valid to St Pancras from the north, City Thameslink from the south as per today.

First class at the front of the train only, as per normal Thameslink operated services.

 

[Hadders]

London Terminals tickets valid to St Pancras from the north, City Thameslink from the south as per today.

First class at the front of the train only, as per normal Thameslink operated services.

Hmmm. No potential problems on the ticketing front then...... There need to be copious numbers of posters and announcements at all stations advising that tickets to London Terminals are not valid beyond St Pancras. I can see RPIs at Farringdon, City Thameslink etc. having a field day. I suspect a London Terminals ticket will open the barriers at many of the stations anyway further complicating the issue.

First Class also needs to be consistent. Either permanently declassify the rear carriage on all 700s operating on GN or don't declassify anything. Will the rear 1st class compartment on 0656 GN service from Peterborough be declassified. It's operated by Thameslink branded class 700s for a but more complification.....

 

[Failed Unit]

And Cambridge to Brighton it seems now. Glad they sorted the issues to run in public service throughout.

9J52 Horsham - Peterborough
9J58 Horsham - Peterborough
9J57 Peterborough - Horsham
9J63 Peterborough - Horsham

9S24 Brighton - Cambridge
9S39 Cambridge - Brighton

There will be some changes to existing services to accommodate these 12 car trains, and services will be announced as 'via St Pancras' from the north and 'via London Bridge' from the south.

London Terminals tickets valid to St Pancras from the north, City Thameslink from the south as per today.

First class at the front of the train only, as per normal Thameslink operated services.

Do you know what times these depart? Not really in a position to use real train times at the moment.

Thinking of fares. Does st Pancras have an oyster validation point on the platform? Now I touch in as i enter st Pancras and tap out at Blackfriars. (Season ticket to kings cross). Hopefully if I get one of these I won’t need to go upstairs for my oyster validation?

 

[jon0844]

Hmmm. No potential problems on the ticketing front then...... There need to be copious numbers of posters and announcements at all stations advising that tickets to London Terminals are not valid beyond St Pancras. I can see RPIs at Farringdon, City Thameslink etc. having a field day. I suspect a London Terminals ticket will open the barriers at many of the stations anyway further complicating the issue.

First Class also needs to be consistent. Either permanently declassify the rear carriage on all 700s operating on GN or don't declassify anything. Will the rear 1st class compartment on 0656 GN service from Peterborough be declassified. It's operated by Thameslink branded class 700s for a but more complification.....

If it's announced as a Thameslink train 'via St Pancras' on GN then first class is declassified at the end. If it's Great Northern to/from King's Cross then it's in operation. Except when a driver enters the wrong code and it shows as declassified.

Got that?!

For the first week there will be Passenger Hosts onboard and then as often as possible thereafter, who I am sure will be able to give advice on ticketing and how London Terminals will work for customers who haven't previously known about how it works on Thameslink.

 

[jon0844]

Do you know what times these depart? Not really in a position to use real train times at the moment.

Thinking of fares. Does st Pancras have an oyster validation point on the platform? Now I touch in as i enter st Pancras and tap out at Blackfriars. (Season ticket to kings cross). Hopefully if I get one of these I won’t need to go upstairs for my oyster validation?

9J52 Horsham - Peterborough (1000 - 1308)
9J58 Horsham - Peterborough (1330 - 1639)
9J57 Peterborough - Horsham (0946 - 1240)
9J63 Peterborough - Horsham (1317 - 1612)

9S24 Brighton - Cambridge (1132 - 1414, no call at Royston)
9S39 Cambridge - Brighton (1424 - 1642, fast to Finsbury Park)

 

[Hadders]

If it's announced as a Thameslink train 'via St Pancras' on GN then first class is declassified at the end. If it's Great Northern to/from King's Cross then it's in operation. Except when a driver enters the wrong code and it shows as declassified.

Got that?!

What about Great Northern trains to Kings Cross using Thameslink branded trains? Penalty Fares all round, I suspect.

You couldn’t make some of this stuff up.

 

[jon0844]

What about Great Northern trains to Kings Cross using Thameslink branded trains? Penalty Fares all round, I suspect.

You couldn’t make some of this stuff up.

In those situations, standard class will operate as first class and first class is declassified. People with super off-peak tickets must sit in the rear cab.

 

[Fred26]

What about Great Northern trains to Kings Cross using Thameslink branded trains? Penalty Fares all round, I suspect.

You couldn’t make some of this stuff up.

Eh?!...

 

[jon0844]

As it happens, RLU trains on Great Northern will only have first class at the front of the train - like Thameslink.

It would seem therefore that FLU trains on Great Northern (PBO-KGX) with Thameslink branding are now the exception to the rule, unless they've given up on first class at the back of those too?

 

[Fred26]

9J52 Horsham - Peterborough (1000 - 1308)
9J58 Horsham - Peterborough (1330 - 1639)
9J57 Peterborough - Horsham (0946 - 1240)
9J63 Peterborough - Horsham (1317 - 1612)

9S24 Brighton - Cambridge (1132 - 1414, no call at Royston)
9S39 Cambridge - Brighton (1424 - 1642, fast to Finsbury Park)

Looking at the brief that's been issued, Cambridge-Brighton will be non-stop between CBG and FPK. Though that doesn't make sense given it's supposed to be a direct replacement of a current service.

 

[jon0844]

Looking at the brief that's been issued, Cambridge-Brighton will be non-stop between CBG and FPK. Though that doesn't make sense given it's supposed to be a direct replacement of a current service.

There are some changes to other services as a result of these.

 

[Failed Unit]

9J52 Horsham - Peterborough (1000 - 1308)
9J58 Horsham - Peterborough (1330 - 1639)
9J57 Peterborough - Horsham (0946 - 1240)
9J63 Peterborough - Horsham (1317 - 1612)

9S24 Brighton - Cambridge (1132 - 1414, no call at Royston)
9S39 Cambridge - Brighton (1424 - 1642, fast to Finsbury Park)

Now I have got onto real time I couldn’t find them. But thanks for posting.

The 1317 from Peterborough is interesting. It will have the 1319 right behind it. Unless they are planning to stop at WGC, Hatfield etc. (Which would be interesting as they will get stops now then come May nothing. )

 

[Hadders]

Eh?!...

On Great Northern trains operated by class 700s 1st class is supposed to be in operation at both ends of the train.

On Thameslink trains operated by class 700s 1st class in the rear compartment is declassified.

What happens to 1st class on Great Northern trains operated by Thameslink branded class 700 trains?