Greater Anglia Rolling Stock Updates

[Wivenswold]

I'm getting a sense that 720 production has been delayed. We started out at a February 2019 introduction for the 720s with the last arrival by March 2020, we're now "middle of 2019 to the end of 2020"

In a letter from Mike Kean he confirmed that there won't be a consultation for the May 2019 timetable as the changes are "minor" but will be made public in August 2018. Though the big changes are for the two timetables after that. He also confirmed that there will be a full fleet replacement as planned with the 360's and 379's going last. Seemingly squashing rumours that some 156s will be retained.

The last item of interest from him is that there will be 90% availability of stock, so doing the maths, peak unit requirements will be;
720/1 - 20 out of 22
720/5 - 80 out of 89
745/0 - 9 out of 10
745/1 - 9 out of 10
755/3 - 13 out of 14
755/4 - 22 out of 24

It seems a reasonable plan though depot experts may have a more informed opinion.

 

[samuelmorris]

That's as I'd expect, regarding the timetable. There won't be many new units in place by May, nor many existing units withdrawn, so not a lot of difference to be made. I also expect there will be a good few months in Summer 2019 where 720s will be substituted by 321s, 317s etc. while they bed in, certainly if 345s are anything to go by.
December 2019 as the first 'major change' timetable sounds about right.

As far as I know the target for all existing stock to be withdrawn was always 'end of 2020'. I also had the introduction of the 720s as March rather than February, not that it makes much difference in practice.

 

[Z12XE]

I suspect the other thing preventing any major timetable too soon is that they need to be careful they don’t follow GTR and Northerns example and have a shortage of drivers, sorry I mean a short term timetable amendment by implementing a new timetable too quick.

 

[adrock1976]

Apologies if this has already been mentioned earlier in this lengthy thread, but are the 12 blue former GTR Class 317s remaining with Anglia until the whole fleet is replaced?

 

[cl90001]

90015 has moved to Crewe, believe this is for repairs???

 

[59CosG95]

90015 has moved to Crewe, believe this is for repairs???

An exam AFAIK. The GA 90 fleet's been there quite regularly of late.

 

[43096]

An exam AFAIK. The GA 90 fleet's been there quite regularly of late.

Of late? Crewe have done the major exams/overhauls on the Anglia 90s for years!

 

[dk1]

Of late? Crewe have done the major exams/overhauls on the Anglia 90s for years!

Anything goes at the moment. Crown Point is next to a no go zone for anything Intercity.

 

[nxea321446]

321318 just passed through Finsbury Park on 5L50 Doncaster to Ilford. Surprisingly it has 321448 with it.

 

[cl90001]

321318 just passed through Finsbury Park on 5L50 Doncaster to Ilford. Surprisingly it has 321448 with it.

I guess 321448 still has the "demonstrator" branding/livery?

 

[nxea321446]

It does, although the Eversholt Rail logos have been removed leaving just the GA one’s

 

[Wivenswold]

I guess even in it's hybrid form it'll do a job for now.

 

[cl90001]

last nights 1P48 17:02 London to Norwich and 1P65 19:30 return was formed of x3 Renatus 321s (321315 + 321312 + 321317).

 

[cl90001]

37423 due to haul 90007 back to Norwich later on today.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O22514/2018/07/21/advanced

 

[delticdave]

last nights 1P48 17:02 London to Norwich and 1P65 19:30 return was formed of x3 Renatus 321s (321315 + 321312 + 321317).

I wonder if 1P65 kept to time, I've used that train twice in the past & the original 321's seemed to struggle to reach line speed.

 

[samuelmorris]

That may be part of the reason Renatus units were used, AC motors should be better at reaching 100 shouldn't they?

 

[LAX54]

I wonder if 1P65 kept to time, I've used that train twice in the past & the original 321's seemed to struggle to reach line speed.

Sort of kept time, but was 6L following 1Y61 that was late, (due to a TSR at Nuneaton )

 

[adrock1976]

Sort of kept time, but was 6L following 1Y61 that was late, (due to a TSR at Nuneaton )

I'm pretty sure that Nuneaton is in West Midlands Region rather than Eastern Region.

Seriously, as head codes are not unique, perhaps the previous poster could be specific as to which train (with the origin and destination) is being referred to?

 

[samuelmorris]

Given that they quoted a message stating what the service was in that very post, that really ought to be good enough...

 

[LAX54]

I'm pretty sure that Nuneaton is in West Midlands Region rather than Eastern Region.

Seriously, as head codes are not unique, perhaps the previous poster could be specific as to which train (with the origin and destination) is being referred to?

They were knock on delays, and goes to show a delay in one part of the Country can affect somewhere where you think it not connected, it is not uncommon at all. a 3 min delay at a station could affect a train hundreds of miles away if paths are lost etc.
When I checked TRUST I thought 'they are having a laugh, creative dobbing !' but when I checked the trains involved, it did spread from Nuneaton into the Anglia Route, and then to a few there ending up with 1P65 following late 1Y61

 

[90sWereBetter]

I note 170202 is still running around as a two car unit as of last Saturday. I presume the centre car is still hiding somewhere around Crown Point?

 

[grumblingalong]

I wonder if 1P65 kept to time, I've used that train twice in the past & the original 321's seemed to struggle to reach line speed.

The dusties do struggle to top the ton as per the 90s, but gain back the time with the doors at each station.

 

[dk1]

I note 170202 is still running around as a two car unit as of last Saturday. I presume the centre car is still hiding somewhere around Crown Point?

Far from hidden. Been on the stops of 10rd for months. Battery charger used for another more needed vehicle. Not sure what's happening with it now.

 

[grumblingalong]

Far from hidden. Been on the stops of 10rd for months. Battery charger used for another more needed vehicle. Not sure what's happening with it now.

Last seen full of crown point technicians putting up tinsel and some colourful lights.

 

[F Great Eastern]

Is there a shortage of 90s after this mornings incidents?

Seems to still be a lot of delays. Cancellations and substitutions

 

[LAX54]

Is there a shortage of 90s after this mornings incidents?

Seems to still be a lot of delays. Cancellations and substitutions

They were 2 sets down already this morning, 1P04 failing has not helped. 1P00 had an incident near Gissing, so that set was lost too, the ECS off 1P04 being dragged by the 37 had problems at Trowse when the 37 expired and needed the Pilot to come and rescue !

 

[F Great Eastern]

Just on the 3pm ex Norwich and it is a right assortment of coaches including three quiet coaches and no air conditioning or if there is some it's useless.

Left Norwich 12 late so I assume it was a fast turn around for the train that was supposed to be the 3.30?

 

[LAX54]

Just on the 3pm ex Norwich and it is a right assortment of coaches including three quiet coaches and no air conditioning or if there is some it's useless.

Left Norwich 12 late so I assume it was a fast turn around for the train that was supposed to be the 3.30?

I think the 1500 is more likely the 1400 ! well stock anyway the 1530 currently being slowed up by late 6A33 which is being recessed at Stowmarket DGL for it to pass.

 

[F Great Eastern]

Currently almost 50 short formations showing on journeycheck. Not seen it so bad.

Still a fair few cancellations on the intercity services and half a dozen not doing the full route and running to and from Ipswich.

Is there also a severe emu shortage now too?

 

[captainbigun]

There has been an EMU shortage for months now. Units going away for Renatus work, the fiasco that is the Renatus units themselves (on yet another today with no discernible air con) and a shortage of units due to post cold weather traction motor failures and the loss of a supplier for TM spares. Some of it is unfortunate but Renatus has been doomed from the start and the spares situation appears less than optimimal. Bear in mind there’s 120 spare TMs out of the Renatus conversions. In my opinion that’s a hideous cock up. Not GA’s first and definitely not their last.