Quite, there is nowhere else to do it ! plus there will be nothing stopping 755s to / from Clacton if needs be !
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Quite, there is nowhere else to do it ! plus there will be nothing stopping 755s to / from Clacton if needs be !
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I guess the Clacton line has the advantage of a depot at both ends, plus signalled for quite close headways but not much service off peak
Aren’t the runs on the Clacton line crew training for Colchester crews? As they work the Sudbury branch and IPS to PBO services the Clacton branch is relatively quite (if not under used off peak) and can provide operation on diesel and electric for the crew Service).
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One literally drove past me right now, at Wivenhoe, heading for Colchester
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F Great Eastern
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Did anyone see the interview with Jonathan Denby on Look East? Hearing that a lot of deflection was going on?
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samuelmorris
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Disappointing on both sides of that interview really.
On the one hand, GA's refusal to admit that the root cause of the situation is actually delayed rollout rather than 'unfortunate mishaps' is concealing the truth somewhat, and also making these interviews unnecessarily adversarial because they can't answer the questions being given to them.
On the other hand, I really don't know what response the interviewer expects from 'so how many trains will be cancelled tomorrow then?' - it should be plainly obvious that isn't something you can predict with any degree of accuracy, nor should anyone in PR attempt to do so.
F Great Eastern
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Just the usual PR machine stuff for the most part unfortunately with spin, deflection and obfuscation but I'm not really surprised.
Denby did flatly deny that the most more modern local trains have departed and replaced by older ones which was clearly a question asked by Look East after the comment from the East Suffolk Travel Association which was referencing the 156s which have replaced the 170s that used to operate on that line at the time, which was misleading bearing in mind there's only a single 170 left.
As you say they're still insistent on blaming mishaps and things beyond their control, when asked the question about if they kept legacy stock for a bit longer if it would mean things are better he essentially suggested that it might make a little difference, when we all know a few extra units would make more difference than a little.
Have to agree that some of the later questions were really stupid, asking for number of trains tomorrow, how reliable or unreliable will your service be and things like that. The interview was good in places but some of the questions asked were ridiculous. Really though, Denby is just a public face, the people who really need to be asked questions are the people making the decisions, not the head of Corporate Affairs who would have had no say in it and is most likely doing what he is told to protect the company.
Greater Anglia still seem to be in a very defensive mode and portraying themselves as victims when the real victims are the passengers who are having to deal with a sub standard and unreliable service. It is getting pretty tiresome.l
Denby did flatly deny that the most more modern local trains have departed and replaced by older ones which was clearly a question asked by Look East after the comment from the East Suffolk Travel Association which was referencing the 156s which have replaced the 170s that used to operate on that line at the time, which was misleading bearing in mind there's only a single 170 left.
As you say they're still insistent on blaming mishaps and things beyond their control, when asked the question about if they kept legacy stock for a bit longer if it would mean things are better he essentially suggested that it might make a little difference, when we all know a few extra units would make more difference than a little.
Have to agree that some of the later questions were really stupid, asking for number of trains tomorrow, how reliable or unreliable will your service be and things like that. The interview was good in places but some of the questions asked were ridiculous. Really though, Denby is just a public face, the people who really need to be asked questions are the people making the decisions, not the head of Corporate Affairs who would have had no say in it and is most likely doing what he is told to protect the company.
Greater Anglia still seem to be in a very defensive mode and portraying themselves as victims when the real victims are the passengers who are having to deal with a sub standard and unreliable service. It is getting pretty tiresome.l
I'm surprised that the managing director didn't undertake the interview. Instead, he chose to send one of the troops. Brave man.
eastdyke
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Nice to hear Stewart White again, but he is no Paxman or Neil.
Regardless of the fact it was Jonathan Denby in the frame there will no doubt be extra focus by GA on Lowestoft, remember trains go both ways, Norwich as well as Ipswich. It was possibly the best place for Look East to have highlighted.
GA will not want to be again in the Regional spotlight [on Look East] for the next few days but I wouldn't bet on them not being back.
The East Anglian Daily Times is running with the headline:
A lot of people have been and continue to be severely inconvenienced on the East Suffolk, including my beloved students on the 07.44 from Saxmundham to Lowestoft, train cancelled again this morning.
I noticed tonight that a return trip on the Felixstowes was cancelled, not sure if the unit expired or a shuffle occured to avoid an E. Suffolk or Cambridge cancellation.
Let us hope for more trains in service tomorrow.
Regardless of the fact it was Jonathan Denby in the frame there will no doubt be extra focus by GA on Lowestoft, remember trains go both ways, Norwich as well as Ipswich. It was possibly the best place for Look East to have highlighted.
GA will not want to be again in the Regional spotlight [on Look East] for the next few days but I wouldn't bet on them not being back.
The East Anglian Daily Times is running with the headline:
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/not-enough-greater-anglia-trains-1-6409504
A lot of people have been and continue to be severely inconvenienced on the East Suffolk, including my beloved students on the 07.44 from Saxmundham to Lowestoft, train cancelled again this morning.
I noticed tonight that a return trip on the Felixstowes was cancelled, not sure if the unit expired or a shuffle occured to avoid an E. Suffolk or Cambridge cancellation.
Let us hope for more trains in service tomorrow.
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GA Train arrived in Southend Victoria in this state on Saturday after being vandalized
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...758&id=232590580094242&sfnsn=scwspmo&d=n&vh=e
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...758&id=232590580094242&sfnsn=scwspmo&d=n&vh=e
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But if your stock is all stuck in the workshop because of mishaps, you should have a good idea as to the minimum cancellations the next day, and some plans of where they are going to be?
317337 (ex-GN?) now seems to have had the PRM modifications.
The 317s on WA seem to be a bit more reliable this winter so far, there have been fewer cancellations recently and the heating has been working everyday (unlike previously). However many of them are in a fairly poor state despite the recent refurbishment.
Looking forward to 720s arriving, only 10 months late so far.
The 317s on WA seem to be a bit more reliable this winter so far, there have been fewer cancellations recently and the heating has been working everyday (unlike previously). However many of them are in a fairly poor state despite the recent refurbishment.
Looking forward to 720s arriving, only 10 months late so far.
Mordac
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Does anyone know the date for the last 170 to go to Wales?
Also another ex-GN one 317341 has been PRM modified too.
eastdyke
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I can't quote a date but the GA lease on the final 170 runs into early 2020.
See chart on page 26 here:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...501/rolling-stock-perspective-4th-edition.pdf
The Franchise Agreement says:
170 8 vehicles 4 x 2 cars Porterbrook Lease Expiry Date 01/10/2019
170 24 vehicles 8 x 3 cars Porterbrook Lease Expiry Date 01/10/2019
With a footnote which says "One two car Class 170 will remain on lease until 31/01/2020."
But who knows what changes have been made since August 2016.
170 8 vehicles 4 x 2 cars Porterbrook Lease Expiry Date 01/10/2019
170 24 vehicles 8 x 3 cars Porterbrook Lease Expiry Date 01/10/2019
With a footnote which says "One two car Class 170 will remain on lease until 31/01/2020."
But who knows what changes have been made since August 2016.
F Great Eastern
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So this morning almost all local routes are seemingly cancelled due te signalling problems which doesn't effect legacy rolling stock it seems or other operators.
99 cancellations.
Just been told Felixstowe is out for the rest of the day. If it was really signalling they'd not be saying It so quick
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99 cancellations.
Just been told Felixstowe is out for the rest of the day. If it was really signalling they'd not be saying It so quick
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F Great Eastern
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According to what I have just heard the Norwich to Cambridge line is closed due te a network rail train needing to deal with leaves on the line
However other operators ate running fine and freight is on the Felixstowe line. I wonder if it is something linked to class 755 performance that means they are unable to run. Perhaps braking issues or equipment on train.
However other operators ate running fine and freight is on the Felixstowe line. I wonder if it is something linked to class 755 performance that means they are unable to run. Perhaps braking issues or equipment on train.
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755s stopped due to not activating track circuits.
F Great Eastern
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You have to say that with the RAIB investigation, track circuit issues, concerns over safe operation of 755s on level crossings and todays drama and the 156s all departing in the next few weeks that things appear to be getting even worse.
The lack of any kind of proper apology to customers and the continued face saving by senior management and the fact that the MD is nowhere to be seen in all of this in the last few weeks, instead sending Denby out whhilst he's happy to pose for photos on trains is very disappointing and you have to question if current GA management have the ability to turn this around and recover from the issues that have happened and the previous decisions that have been made.
The lack of any kind of proper apology to customers and the continued face saving by senior management and the fact that the MD is nowhere to be seen in all of this in the last few weeks, instead sending Denby out whhilst he's happy to pose for photos on trains is very disappointing and you have to question if current GA management have the ability to turn this around and recover from the issues that have happened and the previous decisions that have been made.
Just a gentle reminder that we do welcome suggestions for temporary solutions, but please do ensure that these are discussed in the appropriate forum area 
There is thread for it here: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...hortage-be-resolved-in-the-short-term.196103/
Thanks!
There is thread for it here: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...hortage-be-resolved-in-the-short-term.196103/
Thanks!
F Great Eastern
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What is going on at Liverpool Street? A lot of trains are being started further up the line that should be leaving Liverpool Street during peak? Seems to be effecting East and West Anglia trains.
17:07 London Liverpool Street to Kings Lynn due 19:09 will be started from Tottenham Hale.
It will no longer call at London Liverpool Street.
17:12 London Liverpool Street to Ipswich due 18:35 will be started from Colchester.
It will no longer call at London Liverpool Street, Stratford, Chelmsford and Kelvedon.
17:30 London Liverpool Street to Norwich due 19:25 will be reinstated.
It will be started from Ipswich.
It will no longer call at London Liverpool Street and Manningtree.
17:38 London Liverpool Street to Harwich International due 19:03 will be started from Chelmsford.
It will no longer call at London Liverpool Street and Stratford.
No reason on JourneyCHeck and staff are not sure.
17:07 London Liverpool Street to Kings Lynn due 19:09 will be started from Tottenham Hale.
It will no longer call at London Liverpool Street.
17:12 London Liverpool Street to Ipswich due 18:35 will be started from Colchester.
It will no longer call at London Liverpool Street, Stratford, Chelmsford and Kelvedon.
17:30 London Liverpool Street to Norwich due 19:25 will be reinstated.
It will be started from Ipswich.
It will no longer call at London Liverpool Street and Manningtree.
17:38 London Liverpool Street to Harwich International due 19:03 will be started from Chelmsford.
It will no longer call at London Liverpool Street and Stratford.
No reason on JourneyCHeck and staff are not sure.
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The app says Norwich signalling issues but I can also see at least three Southend Vic cancellations too.
F Great Eastern
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Yeah. Cancellations now showing up on boards. Thought it was lack of rolling stock was my original guess.
Was showing problem under investigation on journeycheck but now lots of signalling issue related delays cancellations and restricted running segments.
Was showing problem under investigation on journeycheck but now lots of signalling issue related delays cancellations and restricted running segments.
They’ve been Tweeting signal problems between Liv St and Stratford as the reason. Pretty awful evening peak for the Norwich services. The 17:30 from Liv St cancelled no stock, 17:50 8 x 321, 18:10 starting from Colchester due to stock around an hour late from Bounds Green, 18:30 cancelled due to the stock being taken out of service at Colchester in the Up direction due to no working toilets, stock for the 19:00 down arrived in the street 23 late at 18:53, so late start for the return following 19:02 down.
F Great Eastern
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Posted about it here
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/disruption-at-liverpool-street.196351/
Today has been about the darkest day I can remember in this area and the rest of the week has hardly been great. It's heading towards a full blown crisis.
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Looks like the Shenfield diveunder is out of use too.
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