Green and Cream Livery

[Lucan]

In the toy section of a folk museum I noticed, in a glass case of model trains and cars, an OO scale carriage in green and cream livery, the green (a mid shade) being on the lower bodyside. The model looked authentic, and the style was of a main line carriage of the 1930-1960 period. What railway used this livery? I can only guess perhaps the Southern Railway for its main line trains at one time, but I thought the Southern always used green all over.

 

[alistairlees]

BR painted some mk1 coaches (and a DMU car as an observation car, I think?) this way in the 1980s (I think). Rebranded "West Highland".

 

[delt1c]

It was a livery used by the LNER , i believe for tourist stock

 

[Iskra]

An example; https://railsofsheffield.com/produc...-coach-pack-br-west-highland-line-green-cream

 

[Lucan]

An example

Nice!

 

[Taunton]

The LNER built special "Tourist" stock in the 1930s, open at a time when compartments were pretty universal, and with low-back bucket seats, apparently uncomfortable so later replaced. These were painted green/cream. Normally kept in their own rakes (including buffet cars) but occasionally strayed to be marshalled with normal LNER teak-livery stock. The picture here (with 4470 about quarter way down) https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/133-teak-coaches has a pre-war colour shot of one such.

Also the LNER Sentinel steam railcars were painted green/cream as well. https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/127-lner-rail-car

 

[Iskra]

BR painted some mk1 coaches (and a DMU car as an observation car, I think?) this way in the 1980s (I think). Rebranded "West Highland".

Was there a surcharge to travel in the observation car, does anyone know?

 

[WesternLancer]

In the toy section of a folk museum I noticed, in a glass case of model trains and cars, an OO scale carriage in green and cream livery, the green (a mid shade) being on the lower bodyside. The model looked authentic, and the style was of a main line carriage of the 1930-1960 period. What railway used this livery? I can only guess perhaps the Southern Railway for its main line trains at one time, but I thought the Southern always used green all over.

O gauge equiv - LNER

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Was there a surcharge to travel in the observation car, does anyone know?

I think there was.

 

[randyrippley]

OO 3rd rail Hornby Dublo? Like this?

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some background at
https://rmweb.co.uk/Wishlist2019/12. Coaches - LNER & Constituents.pdf

LNER Gresley Tourist Green & Cream Stock (61ft 6in BTO & Buffet, 52ft Artic Twin TO, 1933) Introduced for excursion use, they became known as ‘Tourist Stock’. Distinctive green and cream with white roofs in LNER days, each coach had single door access. After WWII, the three types could be found randomly in many main line service trains and excursions, but the original build of five sets was intended to operate as 12-coach trains comprising:
 A Diag.169 61ft 6in 52-seat Open Brake Third at each end
 Up to two Diag.168 61ft 6in Buffet Cars
 Four Diag.171 56-seat Articulated Twin Open Thirds (which were shorter at 52ft each vehicle) A Diag.171 set was noted on the Somerset & Dorset line in August 1953 in a Bournemouth-Walsall Relief (possibly red & cream) and a maroon set was seen in a Newcastle-Bournemouth relief near Rugby in 1957. A Dr Ian C Allen photograph shows one on the Aldeburgh branch. Possibly, the most useful type would be the Buffet Car, which could be modelled in:
 Green & cream
 Brown (wartime and just after)
 Crimson and cream
 Maroon. Lasting into the 1960s, the last two (both Buffets) were withdrawn in 1967. Originally clad with plywood (supplied by Saunders-Roe), many had to be re-clad with steel sheeting with advancing years. (The Diag.167 Buffet Car – as modelled by Hornby – shares the identical interior with Diag.168.) It is interesting to note that Nick Campling stated in his book, Historic Carriage Drawings Vol 1, LNER & Constituents, that the articulated twins ran on the same underframe as the Diag.194/195 sets of the Gresley GN Steel Panel 5-sets listed earlier. The Buffets and Open Brake Thirds were on the standard 61ft 6in underframe (as modelled by Hornby).
Other Green & Cream stock was built:
 Tourist Open Brake Third to Diag.179 (TBTO) } built 1934, ply panelling and aluminium trim strip.
 Tourist Open Third to Diag.180 (TTO) }
 Twin Tourist Open Third to Diag.307 (Twin TTO) } built 1939, steel panelling.
 Tourist Open Brake Third to Diag.308 (TBTO) }
Link: https://flic.kr/p/7M7g5A
Link: http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnercoach/hfe0b436#hfe0b436
Link: http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnercoach/h5de05f#h5de05f
Link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/6655106617/in/set-72157621174728515

 

[hexagon789]

Was there a surcharge to travel in the observation car, does anyone know?

Yes, with differing charge by direction as one way the observation saloon was of course behind the loco and the DMU ones were not turned in service.

 

[WesternLancer]

OO 3rd rail Hornby Dublo? Like this?

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Interesting and nice model. Hornby Dublo never made those back in the day - someone has made that nice set from Hornby Dublo parts. Not sure if the LNER artics ever made it into green and cream livery in 12" to the foot scale.

Original Dublo artics look like this - most made pre 1940 but probably some available until late 1940s maybe into early 50s

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[Taunton]

Not sure if the LNER artics ever made it into green and cream livery in 12" to the foot scale.

Lengthy illustrated article about the LNER Tourist liveried artics ('twins' to LNER) here, same series as links above https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/362-lner-buffet-tourist-trains

 

[WesternLancer]

Lengthy illustrated article about the LNER Tourist liveried artics ('twins' to LNER) here, same series as links above https://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/362-lner-buffet-tourist-trains

Thanks - that looks well worth a read.

 

[Cowley]

BR painted some mk1 coaches (and a DMU car as an observation car, I think?) this way in the 1980s (I think). Rebranded "West Highland".

I had a nice run from Kyle back to Inverness behind a Dutch liveried 37 in 1994 on that set with the ex 101 driving car right behind the loco.
The rest of the train was made up of mk2s in green and cream livery too and looked very smart...

 

[Helvellyn]

The LNER built special "Tourist" stock in the 1930s, open at a time when compartments were pretty universal, and with low-back bucket seats, apparently uncomfortable so later replaced. These were painted green/cream. Normally kept in their own rakes (including buffet cars) but occasionally strayed to be marshalled with normal LNER teak-livery stock.

And this is why in loco-hauled stock fully open Standard Class saloons with 2+2 seting have the designation TSO (Tourist Standard Open, previously Tourist Second Open), which before the abolition of Second Class (used on Southern Region Boat Trains) was originally TTO (Tourist Third Open). A TO (Third Open), later SO, had 2+1 seating.