Thanks. That's exactly the question I was asking myself. So does the right to travel within the Liverpool stations group indicated in the ticket trump the TOC-specificity of the ticket? The previous thread didn't seem to reach a definite conclusion.Liverpool Stns is Lime Street, Central, James Street and Moorfields, so yes.
However, there was a recent debate as to whether the same ticket would be valid due to the via London Midland only:
Why on earth would a ticket marked "London Midland Only" be valid on Merseyrail?NROC said:10. Tickets valid only in trains of particular Train Companies
The validity of a ticket may:
a) be restricted to; or
travel in the trains of a particular Train Company or Train Companies. Any such restriction or prohibition will be shown on the ticket.
There is nothing trumping anything else, It is valid from any of the Liverpool Stations, provided that you only use London Midland services.Thanks. That's exactly the question I was asking myself. So does the right to travel within the Liverpool stations group indicated in the ticket trump the TOC-specificity of the ticket? The previous thread didn't seem to reach a definite conclusion....
If it is to valid on Merseyrail there would have to be something on the ticket to denote that validity (NRCoC condition 10), however I would have thought it more likely to be something along the lines of 'LM + Mrail Only', but even that could indicate validity that is not wanted.....If it is valid on Merseyrail then shouldn't the ticket say "London Midland + connections"? If it isn't then shouldn't it say "Liverpool Lime Street" rather than "Liverpool Stations"?
I would agree with that. Some TOCs already do something similar, e.g. Grand Central Only tickets are issued between London Terminals and Wakefield Kirkgate specifically (rather than Wakefield Stations) - have a look here and look at the fares that don't have "To: WAKEFIELD STNS" printed to the left.For the sake of clarity and to prevent passengers from being done for not having a valid ticket on the Merseyrail loop, shouldn't these "LM only" tickets say "Liverpool Lime Street" rather than "Liverpool Stns"?
That might be because there is a separate easement allowing use of LU between Kings Cross and Moorgate (but not intermediately) on any London terminals ticket.Seems a bit daft though that they haven't done the same and printed London Kings X specifically rather than London Terminals!
Hmm, but that won't be valid on a GRAND CTRL ONLY ticket, will it? (bringing us nicely back in a circle to the start of this thread )That might be because there is a separate easement allowing use of LU between Kings Cross and Moorgate (but not intermediately) on any London terminals ticket.
Certain excess fares have certain rules. If you were to change TOC specific fares to read as a specific station you start to have issues. In the case of Liverpool Lime Street, if a passenger were to travel at a time at which their ticket was not valid and the next cheapest fare was Rte any permitted, currently you could issue an excess fare provided the passenger still used the specific TOC.....I know that it has been mentioned that this would complicate excess fares. Could someone explain how? Thanks.