GTR 365 to storage

[jon0844]

Nice as the 365s are, there are now a lot of problems with the internal doors failing or sticking (both the mechanisms to slide and the motion sensors) and they still lack CCTV. The seat back tables are also looking rather worn.

 

[APUK002]

The 700 is far better cab wise from a drivers point of view

It is,full of tech!

 

[dk1]

With 100mph max they'd be great on the Great Eastern out of London, but we're getting those wonderful new trains...

Thank goodness. I'm fed up driving everyone else's cast offs. New trains all the way.

 

[dk1]

Good to know, that's certainly the sort of route they're suited to. Is King's Lynn all Electostars now then?

Not quite. It's a gradual process.

 

[hexagon789]

Not quite. It's a gradual process.

Still some 365s to King's Lynn then? I take they are due to be fully replaced on those services though?

 

[Hadders]

Nice as the 365s are, there are now a lot of problems with the internal doors failing or sticking (both the mechanisms to slide and the motion sensors) and they still lack CCTV. The seat back tables are also looking rather worn.

I’ve noticed these things but they’re not the fault of the train. GTR simply need to be better at maintaining them. I suspect they’ve given up on the trains going into storage.

 

[dk1]

Still some 365s to King's Lynn then? I take they are due to be fully replaced on those services though?

Last I heard was last 365s will be concentrated on Peterborough commuter services.

 

[hexagon789]

Last I heard was last 365s will be concentrated on Peterborough commuter services.

I'd heard that yes, I was more wondering when their days on the King's Lynns will be numbered.

 

[SprinterMan]

No 365s to KLN anymore, 100% 387s (excl. GA services). Still plenty of 365s to Ely though, which should last until May. AFAIK, from May, all Cambridge fasts will be 387s, with 365s doing Peterborough fasts. Baldock/Royston peak extras will be a mixture.

Adam

 

[hexagon789]

No 365s to KLN anymore, 100% 387s (excl. GA services). Still plenty of 365s to Ely though, which should last until May. AFAIK, from May, all Cambridge fasts will be 387s, with 365s doing Peterborough fasts. Baldock/Royston peak extras will be a mixture.

Adam

Thank you for the summary, much appreciated

 

[jamieP]

Thank you for the summary, much appreciated

Had a look the other night and there should be 2x3 car 387 services to and from Peterborough each morning and afternoon with the units stabling on the Nene Sidings each night.

 

[hexagon789]

Had a look the other night and there should be 2x3 car 387 services to and from Peterborough each morning and afternoon with the units stabling on the Nene Sidings each night.

3-car? I didn't realise there were 3-car 387s.

The other services being 365s then?

 

[jamieP]

3-car? I didn't realise there were 3-car 387s.

The other services being 365s then?

Meant 3x4 387 and yes. This is for May tho with the 387s and 365s only running to and from Peterborough during the peaks.

 

[hexagon789]

Meant 3x4 387 and yes. This is for May tho with the 387s and 365s only running to and from Peterborough during the peaks.

I see, I take it's Cambridge that they run to otherwise then?

 

[jamieP]

I see, I take it's Cambridge that they run to otherwise then?

Have a look for yourself.

 

[hexagon789]

Have a look for yourself.

Cheers, will do

 

[SprinterMan]

Have a look for yourself.

Where did you get that file from? Do you have the others? If so, may I have a copy please

Adam

 

[notverydeep]

Have a look for yourself.

Thanks JamieP. I have posted a link to the "Great northern and Thameslink May 18 service changes" thread on the Allocations and Timetables part of the forum. If you have the metro equivalent, that would be very handy!

 

[bramling]

Nice as the 365s are, there are now a lot of problems with the internal doors failing or sticking (both the mechanisms to slide and the motion sensors) and they still lack CCTV. The seat back tables are also looking rather worn.

The word everyone is looking for is maintenance...

Why is it that the railway nowadays seems to think it's acceptable to put a train in service, leave it for a decade and then do a 'refresh'? From a passenger point of view the age of a train *shouldn't* really make that much difference, not that a 365 is in any way old - they're roughly half-life, so should now be in their prime. I could understand the 365s becoming careworn up until last year as they were extremely intensively used, but their duty cycle is rather lighter now, and with units being released there's an opportunity to catch up on any backlog on the units being retained long-term.

London Underground is just as guilty of this - the likes of the 92, 72 & 73 stocks are in a pretty poor state nowadays - being pretty untouched since refurbishment, which in the case of the 72 stock was in the early 1990s! At least the 365s have had two refreshes during their time - even if in both cases it's tended to degrade the ambience.

 

[D365]

I’d hazard a guess that Eversholt haven’t stipulated the even numbered units be returned in an as-new condition..!

 

[MatthewRead]

The word everyone is looking for is maintenance...

Why is it that the railway nowadays seems to think it's acceptable to put a train in service, leave it for a decade and then do a 'refresh'? From a passenger point of view the age of a train *shouldn't* really make that much difference, not that a 365 is in any way old - they're roughly half-life, so should now be in their prime. I could understand the 365s becoming careworn up until last year as they were extremely intensively used, but their duty cycle is rather lighter now, and with units being released there's an opportunity to catch up on any backlog on the units being retained long-term.

London Underground is just as guilty of this - the likes of the 92, 72 & 73 stocks are in a pretty poor state nowadays - being pretty untouched since refurbishment, which in the case of the 72 stock was in the early 1990s! At least the 365s have had two refreshes during their time - even if in both cases it's tended to degrade the ambience.

1972 tube stock is already going through a second refurbishment and 1992 tube stock will get modernized in due course!

 

[bramling]

1972 tube stock is already going through a second refurbishment and 1992 tube stock will get modernized in due course!

Yes - after being basically untouched for circa a quarter of a century!

 

[D365]

1972 tube stock is already going through a second refurbishment...

Why do you seem so surprised?

 

[Silver Cobra]

One of the 365s going into storage in the near future has fallen foul of the graffiti 'artists'. The front unit on yesterday's 1817 SVG-PBO, which has had the GN logos removed off it, had a nice big patch of graffiti on the side of one of DMOC B. Can't imagine Eversholt would be happy taking the unit back while in that condition.

 

[700007]

From the table linked earlier I've decided to make a separate timetable showing solely all 365 runs northbound atm, I'll try get round to the southbounds shortly. Indeed they only run as far as Peterborough and Royston (or Baldock / Letchworth Garden City), calling at selected stops only so even stations that see 365s all the time right now closer to London probably won't be blessed with this trains from May onwards.

Quite a sad time for these trains from my point of view, would much rather one over a 387.

 

[lordbusiness]

The graffiti on the ones stored at Potters is coming along nicely judging by what i saw earlier this week.

 

[pt_mad]

This will upset certain forum members

to be fair they are great trains

My first experience of a 365 was in 2001 when I holidayed in Hunstanton. Caught one all the way to Kings Lynn with the windows open hurtling through the numerous tunnels on the ECML was quite an experience!

Could they be used on At Pancras to Corby. Or maybe 350/2s will be used there instead.

 

[Domh245]

They could, but any bidder proposing them will suffer in the quality assessment of their bid vs those suggesting using modern EMUs (either off lease of new build)

 

[MatthewRead]

On the 153's to Scotrail thread someone said they've heard about the 365's being used on the GOBLIN line to cover for late delivery of 710's surely that can't be right?

 

[swt_passenger]

On the 153's to Scotrail thread someone said they've heard about the 365's being used on the GOBLIN line to cover for late delivery of 710's surely that can't be right?

Probably wishful thinking. TfL have repeatedly said in meeting papers and responses to GLA members questions to the Mayor that there would be no interim EMUs, as it isn’t worth the training and maintenance issues.