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Apologies if this has come up elsewhere, but couldn't see a thread devoted specifically to the post 2018 changes. I'm hearing talk of a recently confirmed massive shake up of GTR services and driver depots planned in time for the May 2018 WTT.

New GTR depot locations I've heard are Luton, St Albans, Cricklewood, Three Bridges, Orpington, Ashford and Gillingham. Blackfriars depot to close entirely and Brighton and Bedford to have a large reduction in work. Presumably Southeastern drivers will lose their current GTR work at the same time. What does this mean for drivers at those locations? I'm guessing a lot of people are going to have to move depot whether they want to or not.

I also hear that the Catford loop will be getting an extra two stoppers per hour (Blackfriars to Orpington) and that there will be a Luton to Rainham (Kent) half hourly service via London Bridge and Greenwich. Aside from the capacity issues raised by these proposals, the Luton to Rainham route is surely going to to cause huge congestion issues around North Kent East junction and appears especially odd, and dare I say counterproductive, given all the investment and ongoing work at Blue Anchor and London Bridge to eliminate the same problems there.
 
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On the GN side partial.closures of Kings Cross and Hitchin depots are proposed along with new depots at Finsbury Park,Hornsey and Welwyn Garden City.
 

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Apologies if this has come up elsewhere, but couldn't see a thread devoted specifically to the post 2018 changes. I'm hearing talk of a recently confirmed massive shake up of GTR services and driver depots planned in time for the May 2018 WTT.

New GTR depot locations I've heard are Luton, St Albans, Cricklewood, Three Bridges, Orpington, Ashford and Gillingham. Blackfriars depot to close entirely and Brighton and Bedford to have a large reduction in work. Presumably Southeastern drivers will lose their current GTR work at the same time. What does this mean for drivers at those locations? I'm guessing a lot of people are going to have to move depot whether they want to or not.

I also hear that the Catford loop will be getting an extra two stoppers per hour (Blackfriars to Orpington) and that there will be a Luton to Rainham (Kent) half hourly service via London Bridge and Greenwich. Aside from the capacity issues raised by these proposals, the Luton to Rainham route is surely going to to cause huge congestion issues around North Kent East junction and appears especially odd, and dare I say counterproductive, given all the investment and ongoing work at Blue Anchor and London Bridge to eliminate the same problems there.

There is only an extra 1tph on the Catford Loop in peak compared to today.

Note that the Orpington service is via Herne Hill not Catford.

The plan is to deal with the reduction in services the TLP brings but relinking TL with SE on the already under construction purpose built for this, P-way.

And none of this is official yet. It's a proposal by GTR/SE that the DfT is going to hold a 3 month consultation from next month with many further details.
 
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There is only an extra 1tph on the Catford Loop in peak compared to today.

Note that the Orpington service is via Herne Hill not Catford.

The plan is to deal with the reduction in services the TLP brings but relinking TL with SE on the already under construction purpose built for this, P-way.

And none of this is official yet. It's a proposal by GTR/SE that the DfT is going to hold a 3 month consultation from next month with many further details.
What are the chances they will listen to the consultation views? Or will it be like the recent GTR issues, where their agenda will be pursued at all times? Note I don't want to dicuss the other issues here, another tread is doing that.

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What are the chances they will listen to the consultation views? Or will it be like the recent GTR issues, where their agenda will be pursued at all times? Note I don't want to dicuss the other issues here, another tread is doing that.

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Does that not depend on what the consultation views are? Minor tweaks or obvious things that have been overlooked are more likely to get a hearing and get taken into account than people who suggest that their pet issue is reflected in the timetable. You simply can't please all people.

There were some changes made between the December 2015 timetable consultation and what happened in practice.
 

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There is only an extra 1tph on the Catford Loop in peak compared to today.

Note that the Orpington service is via Herne Hill not Catford.

The plan is to deal with the reduction in services the TLP brings but relinking TL with SE on the already under construction purpose built for this, P-way.

And none of this is official yet. It's a proposal by GTR/SE that the DfT is going to hold a 3 month consultation from next month with many further details.

If this is true, then that line will get 6tph (4 to victoria) and the catford loop will just be left with 2. As it stands at the moment, people don't often use the loop because of how close it is to the hayes line (why wait 30 minutes for a train when there will be one in less than 15 nearby?) and is frequently empty outside of the peaks.
 

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There is only an extra 1tph on the Catford Loop in peak compared to today.

Note that the Orpington service is via Herne Hill not Catford.

The plan is to deal with the reduction in services the TLP brings but relinking TL with SE on the already under construction purpose built for this, P-way.

And none of this is official yet. It's a proposal by GTR/SE that the DfT is going to hold a 3 month consultation from next month with many further details.

I don't know where you got that from, on this thread it says the consultation is looking at 4 trains per hour on the Catford Loop, 2tph Blackfriars-Sevenoaks & 2tph Kentish Town-Orpington.

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=131730

There isn't any more room via Herne Hill as the SE fasts have to slot in with the already existing 4tph Orpington-Victoria stoppers!
 

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There is only an extra 1tph on the Catford Loop in peak compared to today.

Note that the Orpington service is via Herne Hill not Catford.

The plan is to deal with the reduction in services the TLP brings but relinking TL with SE on the already under construction purpose built for this, P-way.

And none of this is official yet. It's a proposal by GTR/SE that the DfT is going to hold a 3 month consultation from next month with many further details.

I'm looking forward to seeing the further details. So many possibilities. More Medway trains will presumably head to Abbey Wood to connect with Crossrail, but is there a danger they will be not that busy once past there? If so, that could take carriages from the other two Dartford and Hayes lines which really need to have a lot more 12-car peak services.

I don't think the Woolwich line will empty out quite as much as some believe though with Crossrail. The sheer number of housing development plans, especially past Woolwich, will see to that.

And it's not only train lengths but frequencies - any cuts anywhere due to expected Crossrail usage may be misjudged for the same reason above - mass housing plans.
 
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