GWML / Elizabeth line disruption due to OLE down near Paddington

[43096]

Driver availability on a strike day?

Yes, could well be.

 

[JW4]

1C28 appears to have the route set back into Paddington platform 3. This is the train which hit OLE travelling at reduced speed.

Is the unit 802111?

 

[Jimini]

Is the unit 802111?

According to RTT, yes.

Realtime Trains | 1C28 1830 London Paddington to Cardiff Central | 07/12/2023

Real-time train running information for 1C28 1830 departure from London Paddington to Cardiff Central on 07/12/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[NSEWonderer]

I assume like the Lewisham incident some years ago the RAIB will be investigating some of the various self egressing by passengers. This situation is one that will be quite difficult to have managed by those involved.

 

[Jimini]

1C28 appears to have the route set back into Paddington platform 3. This is the train which hit OLE travelling at reduced speed.

Just 'landed' on P3, according to Traksy.

 

[mrmartin]

Seems absolutely mad that no service between pad low level and abbey wood could be organized on the EL. Something is seriously wrong with train management on this line.

 

[Jimini]

I wonder how @Acton1991 is getting on amidst all this!

 

[JonathanH]

Seems absolutely mad that no service between pad low level and abbey wood could be organized on the EL. Something is seriously wrong with train management on this line.

The trains need to go to Westbourne Park to reverse.

 

[Sleepy]

Is the unit 802111?

Yes confirmed now at platform 3.

 

[NSEWonderer]

1C28 has made it into Paddington, they'll asess the damaged and probs Tow it to North pole as the side the damage is on won't allow manual driving from what I've heard.

 

[Wiltshiresam]

You might ask why there doesn't appear to be any sign of GWR's 57312 being mobilised to help rescue stranded trains... I thought the ability to use its Dellner coupler in these situations was one of the reasons for leasing it in the first place?

Possibly due the fact GWR drivers are on strike….

 

[NSEWonderer]

The trains need to go to Westbourne Park to reverse.

They can be cabbed on in the direction of travel at the platform, it Just usually never happens as you'd not have bidirectional running during normal service but degraded like now. Some of the whiskey trains were arriving at Tottenham court road and then heading back to Shenfield from the same Platform, running bidirectional till fisher street crossover just before Farringdon.

 

[JonathanH]

They can be cabbed on in the direction of travel at the platform, it Just usually never happens as you'd not have bidirectional running during normal service. Some of the whiskey trains were arriving at Tottenham and then heading back to Shenfield from the same Platform.

Yes, but to the previous poster's point, essentially the lack of a crossover immediately East of Paddington sinks the line whenever there is disruption in the Westbourne Park area.

Bidirectional running on the westbound line between Paddington and the crossover East of Tottenham Court Road doesn't seem like it would allow a frequent service.

It would be interesting to know whether not being able to use the reversing sidings at Westbourne Park was one of the scenarios run in the testing phase.

 

[NSEWonderer]

Yes, but to the previous poster's point, essentially the lack of a crossover immediately East of Paddington sinks the line whenever there is disruption in the Westbourne Park area.

Agreed, the lack of enough crossover points in the COS seems to be an oversight in the building of the line by Crossrail. Literally can't do much when anything happens in that area.

 

[mickey]

On a practical note for those affected by this, the National Rail website incident notice (copied into a post above) states that a taxi claim can be made through the TfL website by those affected west of West Drayton. But does anyone know how this is done in practice? Scouring the website throws up no clues, and the ‘account refund’ page only works for refunds to contactless journeys.

 

[FGW_DID]

You might ask why there doesn't appear to be any sign of GWR's 57312 being mobilised to help rescue stranded trains... I thought the ability to use its Dellner coupler in these situations was one of the reasons for leasing it in the first place?

We were asked to mobilise the 57.

Driver availability on a strike day?

Possibly due the fact GWR drivers are on strike….

Is the correct answer as to why it's not out.

 

[David Burrows]

Seems absolutely mad that no service between pad low level and abbey wood could be organized on the EL. Something is seriously wrong with train management on this line.

Possibly something seriously wrong with mrmartin who obviously knows how to run the railway far better than those who are having to try to run it in what must be the most trying of circumstances. Perhaps mrmartin knows how to run trains when there is no electricity in vital places and could enlighten us all so that we know what to do in all future incidents.

 

[Busaholic]

Agreed, the lack of enough crossover points in the COS seems to be an oversight in the building of the line by Crossrail. Literally can't do much when anything happens in that area.

Not really an oversight, it was a deliberate decision taken at the time when Crossrail was being planned. There was some correspondence about this in Modern Railways at the time, with misgivings expressed. It could, however, be construed as a careless decision.

 

[Andrew S]

Seems absolutely mad that no service between pad low level and abbey wood could be organized on the EL. Something is seriously wrong with train management on this line.

I caught a train from Tottenham Court Road to Abbey Wood around 8pm. It departed from the westbound platform, I think an Abbey Wood - Tottenham Court Road shuttle for a couple of hours, reversing at the crossover near Farringdon.

 

[NSEWonderer]

Not really an oversight, it was a deliberate decision taken at the time when Crossrail was being planned. There was some correspondence about this in Modern Railways at the time, with misgivings expressed. It could, however, be construed as a careless decision.

I read indeed about that and always wondered if it was attributed to costs because it would have been indeed helpful in numerous incidents.

 

[Bigbru]

How do the electrical sections function in the area? It seems to me astounding that a problem at Ladbroke Grove can lead to all the OLE between there and Airport Junction being without power.

The OHLE was switched off from Pad to Maidenhead neutral section.

 

[NSEWonderer]

Apologies if im spamming up the place with signalmap images, I wonder however how the 3 units at ABW will be moved ahead of the morning peak? Assuming the drivers are still available to take them out(5U04 being the now delayed T5 Service) where would they actually go to be stored for the night as Plumstead is full as well as Gidea Park and Shenfield, I assume Old oak common and Westbourne park may be out of the question still by the time midnight falls.

 

[Sleepy]

How will GWR deal with those travelling to Bristol / Cardiff tonight ? Reportedly 900+ on board. Presumably many hotels in area already heavily booked due to today's strike ??

 

[800001]

How will GWR deal with those travelling to Bristol / Cardiff tonight ? Reportedly 900+ on board. Presumably many hotels in area already heavily booked due to today's strike ??

Buses, if they can get them, taxis, and hotels if needed. They will do what they need to do to get people where they need to be.

 

[NSEWonderer]

I assume with delay repay the train operating companies pay out and then claim it off Network Rail. However I do not know if they'll reimburse people for missed flights etc.

 

[800001]

I assume with delay repay the train operating companies pay out and then claim it off Network Rail. However I do not know if they'll reimburse people for missed flights etc.

From previous events, flights I think would need to be claimed on people travels insurance.

 

[Sad Sprinter]

I read indeed about that and always wondered if it was attributed to costs because it would have been indeed helpful in numerous incidents.

Ah, costs. The primal fear of British government

 

[Banham7]

Multiple posts about no rail replacement transport showing up and general lack of available information of what to do once off the train, just one example here. Obviously it’s expected that rail replacement transport would be more limited during the night, however I would expect some more information to be available of what passengers should actually do in this case.

 

[JonathanH]

Multiple posts about no rail replacement buses showing up

Where are they going to show up from?

Is this all at Westbourne Park underground station? Using the underground to go towards a destination or back to Paddington if the destination isn't in reach would be logical I guess.

 

[Taunton]

How do the electrical sections function in the area? It seems to me astounding that a problem at Ladbroke Grove can lead to all the OLE between there and Airport Junction being without power.

Not just that, it seems the whole line between Reading and Tottenham Court Road is out of action.

Alongside at Acton are, of course, always a significant number of diesel locos in the yard. Presumably whatever aspect of commonality that would once have allowed those to come out forthwith and move stranded trains to the nearest station has all been lost.