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Hasan Shah

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Thanks, I think the computer test are similar to first stage, as they skills either u have or not, however mmi I don't wanna be stumped for an answer and try to answer it using star model. Intrigued about the one where u have to use the joystick one. On the form they sent, it says pre mmi questions, do is it from those questions they ask but I'm further detail?
 
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Just had the phase 1 assessment in Exeter, not what I was expecting. The email I had said 4 paper tests, 4 computer tests and an interview.
All they do is the 4 paper tests.
 

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I was in Exeter yesterday! I'm sad we didnt do all the the tests as I felt very prepared for them, but glad we didnt do the interview! No ready for that yet!
 

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Just had the phase 1 assessment in Exeter, not what I was expecting. The email I had said 4 paper tests, 4 computer tests and an interview.
All they do is the 4 paper tests.

Thats sucks mate, I have an assessment for Bristol at the end of this month.

Has this happened to many others?????

As per email and info pack : I am expecting to sit paper, computer tests and the MMI?

If not I could just knuckle down on the paper tests and stop revising my MMI examples.
 
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Thats sucks mate, I have an assessment for Bristol at the end of this month.

Has this happened to many others?????

As per email and info pack : I am expecting to sit paper, computer tests and the MMI?

If not I could just knuckle down on the paper tests and stop revising my MMI examples.

For SWR I did all the computer and paper tests on the same day, but the MMI is on a separate date. Other companies seem do the paper and computer tests on different dates with the MMI on the same day as the latter if you pass.

I'd say its extremely unlikely that you'll do the MMI but contact them if you're still unsure
 

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GWR tend to do the paper tests on one day (or at least in my experience from doing them this year).

Then if you pass you will be invited to go Swindon to complete the computer tests for the morning.

Then on the same day if you pass those computer tests you will be asked to do the MMI in the afternoon.

If you are fortunate to pass the MMI you will be invited for a DMI (Driver Managers Interview).
 

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Thanks everyone, I have noticed now in the email ‘subject’ it says Stage One Assessments.

I’ll call them today and I’ll post the response on here for any other lurkers.
 

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Hi everybody. I took and passed my MMI in November 2019 so awaiting my DMI. Any idea how long i will have to wait as its been over 2 months or shall i drop them an email? Thanks in advance.
 

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Hi everybody. I took and passed my MMI in November 2019 so awaiting my DMI. Any idea how long i will have to wait as its been over 2 months or shall i drop them an email? Thanks in advance.
Same as me. Think you just need to get comfortable. You could drop them an email but no doubt you’ll just get a standard response. Just gotta be patient unfortunately
 
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Hi everybody. I took and passed my MMI in November 2019 so awaiting my DMI. Any idea how long i will have to wait as its been over 2 months or shall i drop them an email? Thanks in advance.

I think a lot of people are in the same position - I passed my MMI in August and when I emailed them just before Christmas I was told they are waiting to hear back from the Driver Managers about DMI dates. Its a waiting game unfortunately.
 

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I think a lot of people are in the same position - I passed my MMI in August and when I emailed them just before Christmas I was told they are waiting to hear back from the Driver Managers about DMI dates. Its a waiting game unfortunately.
Thanks MostlyHarmless, it helps to know that.
 

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Afternoon all,

I got my assessment on Wednesday.. it has come around pretty fast!!

Anyone got any final tips from experience how to try and do well? :)

I have been doing the Bourdon paper test - 5 sheets for 2 minutes each and have been getting between 9 - 11 lines down.. overall though missing around two. Hopefully will not miss any on the day (fingers crossed) and got today and tomorrow to keep practicing.

Thanks
Hi, just waiting for a date for psychometric testing. Do you do the Bourdon tests on paper?
Thanks
 

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I think a lot of people are in the same position - I passed my MMI in August and when I emailed them just before Christmas I was told they are waiting to hear back from the Driver Managers about DMI dates. Its a waiting game unfortunately.
Hi, just about to start the process, can you explain what MMI & DMI mean?
Thanks.
 
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Hi, just waiting for a date for psychometric testing. Do you do the Bourdon tests on paper?
Thanks

The bourdon tests are carried out on paper

MMI - Multi Modal Interview. Part of the psychometric tests and as such count as part of the two lives rule. Its usually 6 questions which are along the lines of "Give me an example of when you did..."

DMI - Driver Manager Interview. Usually the final part of the whole process (but not always). It doesn't count towards your two lives and so if you fail it, its not the end of the world. Similar sort of questions to the MMI plus stuff about the company etc.

There is a lot of useful info about the MMI and DMI on here by using the search facility, but for the moment just focus on the initial tests.

Good luck!
 

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The bourdon tests are carried out on paper

MMI - Multi Modal Interview. Part of the psychometric tests and as such count as part of the two lives rule. Its usually 6 questions which are along the lines of "Give me an example of when you did..."

DMI - Driver Manager Interview. Usually the final part of the whole process (but not always). It doesn't count towards your two lives and so if you fail it, its not the end of the world. Similar sort of questions to the MMI plus stuff about the company etc.

There is a lot of useful info about the MMI and DMI on here by using the search facility, but for the moment just focus on the initial tests.

Good luck!
Thanks very much, appreciate your time.
 

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Hi, what did the 4 paper tests involve? thanks.
They should send an RSSB booklet with your invite, everything you need is in there, then practice practice practice
There is a GB booklet on here somewhere which I found very useful
 
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I recently attended an assessment day with a TOC which accepts national standards.


I understand that many TOCs have around 20-25 people taking the tests on that day. The TOC which assessed me, however, assesses fewer people at once (8 were due to attend but only 5 did). Of the 5 who attended, two worked for the TOC in guard or ticket office roles, and at least one of the absentees, too.


The TOC should have e-mailed you an information pack telling you what tests would be conducted, the procedures for them and giving your ideas for practice before the day.


The tests are designed to be psychometric, hence they assess your capabilities. I saw that when doing the tests. There are some people I know who I think could practice full time and still never pass. It assesses innate abilities, although, of course, some practice in advance can help you a little.


Initially, we were asked to wait in a waiting room. We were asked 1-by-1 to go into an interview room where our identity, including NI number, was checked. We were also given a colour-blind test. In this test, you have to read the numbers which you can see in circles made of different colours. Warning: There are some trick ones! There are no numbers on some of them - don't try finding one; just say you can't see one!


When that was conducted, we were taken to a room where we each had a desk with stationery provided. I brought my own pens which I usually use which I find comfortable.


The first test was the Group Bourdon Test. This is the test which most people find the hardest and I recommend that you spend most time practising. You need to find groups of four dots. There's a downloadable online tool: https://www.railforums.co.uk/attachments/bourdon-zip.36183/. I initially started doing it online and then moved on to printing and doing them on paper. You do get used to the patterns of dots on the tool, and they are different on the actual test, although the skills are transferrable. There are various people on this forum who quote how many lines you need to complete and how many errors you can make to pass. I was doing about 9 or 10 lines on the printouts from the tool with only 1 or 2 mistakes per page and I passed. Be very sceptical of people who say you need to complete 14 or 15 lines with no more than one mistake! (Of course, some TOCs require enhanced testing, which may require slightly more.) There was also a practice section at the start. The practice grids in the information booklet were less helpful than the tool (using letters rather than dots).


We then had a break while the test was marked. One person was asked into the interview room to be told that he failed so he was sent home.


The next test was the Test of Everyday Attention (TEA-Occ). This measures attention to multiple things and how well you can multi-task.

Part 1 required us to listen to beeps (some with low tones, others with 'high' but I'd call them moderate-to-low). You will need to count just certain tones (can't remember if it was low or high). An example is available here, but there weren't so many tones for each question: https://traineetraindriverinfo.com/low-tones-test-track-1/

Part 2 required us to do some simple telephone directory work. I think it was finding companies in a particular trade with a rating of three stars and with a phone number with a particular area code. It wasn't rocket science and probably doesn't need much practising, but it is designed to make you work quickly. You might not finish and don't need to.

Part 3 was the hardest, combining both part 1 and part 2. You hear number 1 read out and a number of beeps (only one tone this time). You need to write the number down when told. This continues. At the same time, you have a telephone directory task similar to part 2. You are told that both parts are of equal importance. You must use different pens for both tasks. When doing it, I got a good sense that I was truly multi-tasking. It's a good test, actually!

The booklet gives you some activities to help you. Recognising symbols probably isn't too difficult for most people. If you have somebody who could play patterns of two tones on a keyboard or piano (written down first so the answers can be assessed), that might help you, and also if they can play similar tones while they asked you to do a reading task / telephone directory task / wordsearch. However, I didn't practise much for this test and I know some others didn't either, and we passed.


The next test was the Trainability for Rules and Procedures Test (TRP), Part 1 which assesses how well you can learn new things. The railway rulebook is huge for a start, and you will also need to learn about fault finding and repairing, not to mention route knowledge. We were given a two-page information sheet explaining how "GLOP" is applied to the rails using a locomotive and application vehicle operated by a driver and a guard, including what controls there are, the colours and locations of them, when they should be used, the signalling system between the driver and guard, etc. We also heard a recording of this. We then had to hand back the information sheet and answer questions on the procedure. I found this quite easy, but some people don't pick up new information well, especially when there are lots of details. They give a very clear example in the booklet sent before the day.

Part 2 is sometimes known as the dials test. You get sets of 3 dials with pointers pointing to the number on each dial, and you have to order them in order (I believe starting with the largest). However, each dial has a different number range (one might go from 0-150 and another might go 0-500) so in that example, halfway on the dial going up to 500 would read '250' but the whole way on the dial going up to 150 would be only '150'. You have 43 questions to complete in 8 minutes and I don't think that anybody ever completes them all. Apparently, you are scored for correct answers but not downgraded for any wrong answers.


The final written test was the Written Communication Test (WCT), although I understand that this is no longer compulsory and some TOCs no longer do this. We were given a cartoon strip showing a taxi booking, a taxi picking a person up on time, delays on the route, and arrival at destination late. We had to write what happened. The only thing that matters is clarity so your writing needs to be legible but not neat. You do not need to write in sentences - bullet points are acceptable. Grammar and spelling is not important if it does not obscure meaning. You can continue to look at the cartoon strip during the test - you do not need to turn it over or have it collected. I have been told that almost 100% pass this test - if your handwriting is legible and you can convey a simple story, even just in bullet points, you're fine!


Again, we were sent to the waiting room while the tests were marked - this took a long time (almost an hour, I think)!


The final tests were the computerised tests. There might not be one computer per person so some people might have to take the test while other people are waiting.


I think the first computerised test was the ATAVT Perception Test. You will view a picture of a street scene for approximately 0.5-1 second. You will then have to choose from the list what was in the picture from: pedestrians; motor vehicles (excluding motorcycles); bikes, motorcycles or scooters; road signs; traffic lights. There might be as few as one or as many as five in any one picture. Many pictures are busy scenes and you will notice the presence or absence of some things, but for most of the time, you will not be certain that you have got them all right - there will be some guesswork or subconscious decision-making involved. This will suit people who are observant and can process quickly.

This video will give you a good idea of the test, but I think the pictures disappear more quickly in the assessments than shown on this video:

Asking a friend or family member to download some pictures from the internet and test you on them (giving you only a brief peek) might help.


I think the second test was the 2Hand Co-Ordination Test. You will have two joysticks, one will only go up and down, and the other will only go left and right. You have to control a ball around a track trying not to let it go off of the grey track, which includes curved sections. You will hear a screech when it does. This is repeated many times. It is aimed to be difficult and most people will not keep it on the track all the way around. We all thought we did really badly on this!


The final test was the WAFV (Vigilance) Test. You will see a grey square flashing on the screen. When it changes colour to a different shade of grey, you press the large green button as quickly as possible. This continues for 30 minutes, sometimes for long periods between changing. Also, your eyes imagine it changing when it doesn't. It's a good assessment because if you can't concentrate on being vigilant for 30 minutes, being in charge of a train might not be a good idea! When your eyes lose focus, move closer to or further away from the screen. Also, surprisingly, the colour changes aren't random but pre-programmed. Therefore if one person starts their test, another starts two seconds later and another starts to seconds later, you will hear the first person press their button, then about two seconds later the next person, and another two seconds later the next person.


We were then asked to wait in the waiting room again while the results were generated.


Finally, we were congratulated for passing the tests and advised about the next procedures in the application process. We were also given some basic pieces of advice for the DMI.


Hope that this is helpful. Feel free to ask any further questions!
Hi mate,

Was all this stage 1? All on one day ?
 

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I recently attended an assessment day with a TOC which accepts national standards.


I understand that many TOCs have around 20-25 people taking the tests on that day. The TOC which assessed me, however, assesses fewer people at once (8 were due to attend but only 5 did). Of the 5 who attended, two worked for the TOC in guard or ticket office roles, and at least one of the absentees, too.


The TOC should have e-mailed you an information pack telling you what tests would be conducted, the procedures for them and giving your ideas for practice before the day.


The tests are designed to be psychometric, hence they assess your capabilities. I saw that when doing the tests. There are some people I know who I think could practice full time and still never pass. It assesses innate abilities, although, of course, some practice in advance can help you a little.


Initially, we were asked to wait in a waiting room. We were asked 1-by-1 to go into an interview room where our identity, including NI number, was checked. We were also given a colour-blind test. In this test, you have to read the numbers which you can see in circles made of different colours. Warning: There are some trick ones! There are no numbers on some of them - don't try finding one; just say you can't see one!


When that was conducted, we were taken to a room where we each had a desk with stationery provided. I brought my own pens which I usually use which I find comfortable.


The first test was the Group Bourdon Test. This is the test which most people find the hardest and I recommend that you spend most time practising. You need to find groups of four dots. There's a downloadable online tool: https://www.railforums.co.uk/attachments/bourdon-zip.36183/. I initially started doing it online and then moved on to printing and doing them on paper. You do get used to the patterns of dots on the tool, and they are different on the actual test, although the skills are transferrable. There are various people on this forum who quote how many lines you need to complete and how many errors you can make to pass. I was doing about 9 or 10 lines on the printouts from the tool with only 1 or 2 mistakes per page and I passed. Be very sceptical of people who say you need to complete 14 or 15 lines with no more than one mistake! (Of course, some TOCs require enhanced testing, which may require slightly more.) There was also a practice section at the start. The practice grids in the information booklet were less helpful than the tool (using letters rather than dots).


We then had a break while the test was marked. One person was asked into the interview room to be told that he failed so he was sent home.


The next test was the Test of Everyday Attention (TEA-Occ). This measures attention to multiple things and how well you can multi-task.

Part 1 required us to listen to beeps (some with low tones, others with 'high' but I'd call them moderate-to-low). You will need to count just certain tones (can't remember if it was low or high). An example is available here, but there weren't so many tones for each question: https://traineetraindriverinfo.com/low-tones-test-track-1/

Part 2 required us to do some simple telephone directory work. I think it was finding companies in a particular trade with a rating of three stars and with a phone number with a particular area code. It wasn't rocket science and probably doesn't need much practising, but it is designed to make you work quickly. You might not finish and don't need to.

Part 3 was the hardest, combining both part 1 and part 2. You hear number 1 read out and a number of beeps (only one tone this time). You need to write the number down when told. This continues. At the same time, you have a telephone directory task similar to part 2. You are told that both parts are of equal importance. You must use different pens for both tasks. When doing it, I got a good sense that I was truly multi-tasking. It's a good test, actually!

The booklet gives you some activities to help you. Recognising symbols probably isn't too difficult for most people. If you have somebody who could play patterns of two tones on a keyboard or piano (written down first so the answers can be assessed), that might help you, and also if they can play similar tones while they asked you to do a reading task / telephone directory task / wordsearch. However, I didn't practise much for this test and I know some others didn't either, and we passed.


The next test was the Trainability for Rules and Procedures Test (TRP), Part 1 which assesses how well you can learn new things. The railway rulebook is huge for a start, and you will also need to learn about fault finding and repairing, not to mention route knowledge. We were given a two-page information sheet explaining how "GLOP" is applied to the rails using a locomotive and application vehicle operated by a driver and a guard, including what controls there are, the colours and locations of them, when they should be used, the signalling system between the driver and guard, etc. We also heard a recording of this. We then had to hand back the information sheet and answer questions on the procedure. I found this quite easy, but some people don't pick up new information well, especially when there are lots of details. They give a very clear example in the booklet sent before the day.

Part 2 is sometimes known as the dials test. You get sets of 3 dials with pointers pointing to the number on each dial, and you have to order them in order (I believe starting with the largest). However, each dial has a different number range (one might go from 0-150 and another might go 0-500) so in that example, halfway on the dial going up to 500 would read '250' but the whole way on the dial going up to 150 would be only '150'. You have 43 questions to complete in 8 minutes and I don't think that anybody ever completes them all. Apparently, you are scored for correct answers but not downgraded for any wrong answers.


The final written test was the Written Communication Test (WCT), although I understand that this is no longer compulsory and some TOCs no longer do this. We were given a cartoon strip showing a taxi booking, a taxi picking a person up on time, delays on the route, and arrival at destination late. We had to write what happened. The only thing that matters is clarity so your writing needs to be legible but not neat. You do not need to write in sentences - bullet points are acceptable. Grammar and spelling is not important if it does not obscure meaning. You can continue to look at the cartoon strip during the test - you do not need to turn it over or have it collected. I have been told that almost 100% pass this test - if your handwriting is legible and you can convey a simple story, even just in bullet points, you're fine!


Again, we were sent to the waiting room while the tests were marked - this took a long time (almost an hour, I think)!


The final tests were the computerised tests. There might not be one computer per person so some people might have to take the test while other people are waiting.


I think the first computerised test was the ATAVT Perception Test. You will view a picture of a street scene for approximately 0.5-1 second. You will then have to choose from the list what was in the picture from: pedestrians; motor vehicles (excluding motorcycles); bikes, motorcycles or scooters; road signs; traffic lights. There might be as few as one or as many as five in any one picture. Many pictures are busy scenes and you will notice the presence or absence of some things, but for most of the time, you will not be certain that you have got them all right - there will be some guesswork or subconscious decision-making involved. This will suit people who are observant and can process quickly.

This video will give you a good idea of the test, but I think the pictures disappear more quickly in the assessments than shown on this video:

Asking a friend or family member to download some pictures from the internet and test you on them (giving you only a brief peek) might help.


I think the second test was the 2Hand Co-Ordination Test. You will have two joysticks, one will only go up and down, and the other will only go left and right. You have to control a ball around a track trying not to let it go off of the grey track, which includes curved sections. You will hear a screech when it does. This is repeated many times. It is aimed to be difficult and most people will not keep it on the track all the way around. We all thought we did really badly on this!


The final test was the WAFV (Vigilance) Test. You will see a grey square flashing on the screen. When it changes colour to a different shade of grey, you press the large green button as quickly as possible. This continues for 30 minutes, sometimes for long periods between changing. Also, your eyes imagine it changing when it doesn't. It's a good assessment because if you can't concentrate on being vigilant for 30 minutes, being in charge of a train might not be a good idea! When your eyes lose focus, move closer to or further away from the screen. Also, surprisingly, the colour changes aren't random but pre-programmed. Therefore if one person starts their test, another starts two seconds later and another starts to seconds later, you will hear the first person press their button, then about two seconds later the next person, and another two seconds later the next person.


We were then asked to wait in the waiting room again while the results were generated.


Finally, we were congratulated for passing the tests and advised about the next procedures in the application process. We were also given some basic pieces of advice for the DMI.


Hope that this is helpful. Feel free to ask any further questions!
Also which TOC were these assessments with that you have just described ?
 

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It doesn't really matter what toc it's for, they will all do the same. With the exception of the communication test as I think swr and gwr do it. And for arriva they will do the Vse with the computer tests.

Also some tocs do it all one day and some tocs do the paper tests and the computer tests seperately. Some tocs do the mmi with the computer tests. But some tocs like swr do the mmi after the dmi.
 

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It doesn't really matter what toc it's for, they will all do the same. With the exception of the communication test as I think swr and gwr do it. And for arriva they will do the Vse with the computer tests.

Also some tocs do it all one day and some tocs do the paper tests and the computer tests seperately. Some tocs do the mmi with the computer tests. But some tocs like swr do the mmi after the dmi.
No not exactly, MTR and few others do DFFT (Driver Fault Finding) in stage 1.....
 

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No not exactly, MTR and few others do DFFT (Driver Fault Finding) in stage 1.....

Yes, I touched upon some of the exception. The only different ones are dfft, vse and the communication tests that's the only difference. Just wait for the email, it will explain everything in great detail.
 
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