GWR Cascade Plan

[PHILIPE]

Devon Metro today looking hideously short formed if JourneyCheck is anything to go by. Probably as a result of losing the 153s with nothing yet to replace them.

They have been replaced with the introduction of 4 more short HSTs last week and a juggle round of units and diagrams and formations.

 

[Apedlar12]

153s have left Exeter (GWR) bound for Cardiff (TFW) 32E:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/V18953/2019/04/01/advanced

Now arrived at Cardiff.

 

[mic505]

Will more short HSTs enter traffic from the May 2019 TT change? If so, would it release the 143's to TfW?

 

[anamyd]

Now arrived at Cardiff.

here's a video i took from 175-103 of them coming in because I overslept but at least I got that rather than nothing

 

[Apedlar12]

Will more short HSTs enter traffic from the May 2019 TT change? If so, would it release the 143's to TfW?

More short HSTs will probably enter service as I heard they needed 11 for the May TT change which is why they are putting together some 2+4 slam door sets but the 143s are due to be with GWR until the end of the year so more than likely it would release any remaining 150s from Bristol to be used in Devon and Cornwall...

 

[paulwestwood]

More short HSTs will probably enter service as I heard they needed 11 for the May TT change which is why they are putting together some 2+4 slam door sets but the 143s are due to be with GWR until the end of the year so more than likely it would release any remaining 150s from Bristol to be used in Devon and Cornwall...

Also as far as I am aware some of the 143’s are First Group Assets so cannot go to TFW.

 

[anamyd]

Also as far as I am aware some of the 143’s are First Group Assets so cannot go to TFW.

I knew they owned some of the HSTs but didn't know they own some of their Pacers

 

[Apedlar12]

I knew they owned some of the HSTs but didn't know they own some of their Pacers

Yeah I think its 143617/618/619 that are owned by First Group which explains why those 3 are the only ones that have had a partially refurbished interior whereas 143603/611/612/620/621 are owned by Porterbrook.

 

[anamyd]

Yeah I think its 143617/618/619 that are owned by First Group which explains why those 3 are the only ones that have had a partially refurbished interior whereas 143603/611/612/620/621 are owned by Porterbrook.

ah OK

 

[Trainfan061193]

Going to be interesting to see what the Devon Metro will be like now that the 153s have gone.

 

[oliverpckehoe]

Going to be interesting to see what the Devon Metro will be like now that the 153s have gone.

Was okay on Saturday, at least when I was there. A few short forms but thankfully not on the busiest of the Saturday services.

Edit: I realise they hadn't left yet but I was unlucky enough to miss all the 153s.

 

[PHILIPE]

Going to be interesting to see what the Devon Metro will be like now that the 153s have gone.

What is the matter with a 3 Car Formation (including a 153) being replaced by a 150/0. They have lost their work to short HSTs

 

[Trainfan061193]

What is the matter with a 3 Car Formation (including a 153) being replaced by a 150/0. They have lost their work to short HSTs

I don’t see anything wrong with that. I suspect more 150s will be freed up from Bristol around May time when more 2+4 HSTs enter service.

 

[PHILIPE]

I don’t see anything wrong with that. I suspect more 150s will be freed up from Bristol around May time when more 2+4 HSTs enter service.

There are 3 Car diagrams now on the Metro

 

[paulwestwood]

Was okay on Saturday, at least when I was there. A few short forms but thankfully not on the busiest of the Saturday services.

Edit: I realise they hadn't left yet but I was unlucky enough to miss all the 153s.

I take you didn't try travelling the short formed metro from 15:00 then full and wedged on through to Paignton and all the way back to Exmouth.

 

[Charlie Smythe]

When are we supposed to get more 158's?

 

[fgwrich]

I take you didn't try travelling the short formed metro from 15:00 then full and wedged on through to Paignton and all the way back to Exmouth.

GWRs Journey Check had 53 Train Formation updates this morning, it's since reduced down to 24 however most of them have been in the Devon Metro area all day. Meanwhile there was short formed HST set failure today to compound the situation further (155+172). Looks like the west fleet will have to work that bit harder!

 

[PHILIPE]

GWRs Journey Check had 53 Train Formation updates this morning, it's since reduced down to 24 however most of them have been in the Devon Metro area all day. Meanwhile there was short formed HST set failure today to compound the situation further (155+172). Looks like the west fleet will have to work that bit harder!

The reduction is not down to an improvement but 29 trains have completed their journeys since this morning. Shortage of 143s today.

 

[43096]

Devon Metro today looking hideously short formed if JourneyCheck is anything to go by. Probably as a result of losing the 153s with nothing yet to replace them.

Other than the extra HST 2+4 diagrams introduced last week, of course. Really should not be short forming as there are now more vehicles than before.

 

[43096]

Yeah I think its 143617/618/619 that are owned by First Group which explains why those 3 are the only ones that have had a partially refurbished interior whereas 143603/611/612/620/621 are owned by Porterbrook.

They are franchise assets so are owned by GWR, not Group.

 

[northernbelle]

Devon Metro today looking hideously short formed if JourneyCheck is anything to go by. Probably as a result of losing the 153s with nothing yet to replace them.

Going to be interesting to see what the Devon Metro will be like now that the 153s have gone.

GWRs Journey Check had 53 Train Formation updates this morning, it's since reduced down to 24 however most of them have been in the Devon Metro area all day. Meanwhile there was short formed HST set failure today to compound the situation further (155+172). Looks like the west fleet will have to work that bit harder!

Today's short forms have absolutely nothing to do with the 153s heading to Wales. 4 x 143s and 2 x 150s were out of traffic for various reasons, along with a couple problems with the 255/257 west HSTs. With the injection of some of these 2+4 HSTs onto Cardiff-Taunton diagrams, and subsequent displacement of Turbos and therefore 15x further west, there are is actually more slack in the west fleet than for some time.

Let's also not forget that TfW's needs for rolling stock in the Cardiff area are actually quite acute - if GWR can manage for a few more weeks without them, before further Turbos head west (displaced from Bedwyn by IETs), then it's probably sensible overall.

 

[Apedlar12]

Today's short forms have absolutely nothing to do with the 153s heading to Wales. 4 x 143s and 2 x 150s were out of traffic for various reasons, along with a couple problems with the 255/257 west HSTs. With the injection of some of these 2+4 HSTs onto Cardiff-Taunton diagrams, and subsequent displacement of Turbos and therefore 15x further west, there are is actually more slack in the west fleet than for some time.

Let's also not forget that TfW's needs for rolling stock in the Cardiff area are actually quite acute - if GWR can manage for a few more weeks without them, before further Turbos head west (displaced from Bedwyn by IETs), then it's probably sensible overall.

So are more turbos due west in a few weeks then? First I have heard about that...

 

[Apedlar12]

They are franchise assets so are owned by GWR, not Group.

Ah ok, thanks for the clarification

 

[Trainfan061193]

Noticed that 158763/766 have been appearing a fair bit on the Devon Metro recently. Have they now moved to Exeter?

 

[PHILIPE]

Noticed that 158763/766 have been appearing a fair bit on the Devon Metro recently. Have they now moved to Exeter?

No. They still see Bristol

 

[northernbelle]

Noticed that 158763/766 have been appearing a fair bit on the Devon Metro recently. Have they now moved to Exeter?

I don't believe any 158s are officially based at Exeter, although recent extra stock into the West fleet has enabled them to be regular performers west of Taunton once again - there were 4 units working in the Westcountry at various points today.

As a snapshot, today's allocations were:
158763 - N/A
158766 - Devon Metro - Cardiff - Devon Metro
158798 - Pompey/Cardiffs
158950 - Pompey/Cardiffs
158951 - Pompey/Cardiffs
158952 - Malvern/Brighton/Bristol
158953 - Pompey/Cardiffs
158954 - Pompey/Cardiffs
158955 - N/A
158956 - N/A
158957 - Devon Metro
158958 - Cardiff-Paignton-Cardiff-Taunton-Bristol
158959 - Pompey/Cardiffs
158960 - Brighton/Malvern/Weymouth/Bristol
158961 - Penzance-Plymouth-Penzance-Exeter-Taunton

 

[Trainfan061193]

I don't believe any 158s are officially based at Exeter, although recent extra stock into the West fleet has enabled them to be regular performers west of Taunton once again - there were 4 units working in the Westcountry at various points today.

As a snapshot, today's allocations were:
158763 - N/A
158766 - Devon Metro - Cardiff - Devon Metro
158798 - Pompey/Cardiffs
158950 - Pompey/Cardiffs
158951 - Pompey/Cardiffs
158952 - Malvern/Brighton/Bristol
158953 - Pompey/Cardiffs
158954 - Pompey/Cardiffs
158955 - N/A
158956 - N/A
158957 - Devon Metro
158958 - Cardiff-Paignton-Cardiff-Taunton-Bristol
158959 - Pompey/Cardiffs
158960 - Brighton/Malvern/Weymouth/Bristol
158961 - Penzance-Plymouth-Penzance-Exeter-Taunton

Thanks for that. They do seem to be becoming a common sight around Devon & Cornwall again now.

 

[northernbelle]

Everything 3 or 4 car in the Devon Metro area by the looks of things today:

- 0624 Bristol Parkway - Penzance (GW04 HST)
- 0710 Paignton - Exmouth (158763 + 150243)
- 0712 Exmouth - Paignton (143603 + 143618)
- 0751 Exmouth - Barnstaple (150244 + 143620)
- 0800 Paignton - Exmouth (150001)
- 0826 Exeter St Davids - Paignton (150002)
- 0845 Exeter St Davids - Exmouth (143612 + 143617)

 

[317362]

Are the Turbos definitely off the Bedwyns from May?

 

[Apedlar12]

Are the Turbos definitely off the Bedwyns from May?

I think I saw an IET on a Paddington to Bedwyn service the other day if that helps but I am not certain on that...