GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[railfan26]

Thank you makes sense now, much appreciated

 

[railfan26]

I believe 165119 is working the 2D03 0533 Weymouth - Bristol Parkway diagram today as it finished as 2O98 2049 Bristol Temple Meads - Weymouth last night

 

[Parallel]

One of the 166s failed at Trowbridge this morning on the 08:24 Bristol Parkway - Problem with the doors. What was weird, was that the buzzer must've failed on the following service that was also a Turbo as the guard walked through the carriage with a green flag when she went to do the doors at Avoncliff.

 

[railfan26]

One of the 166s failed at Trowbridge this morning on the 08:24 Bristol Parkway - Problem with the doors. What was weird, was that the buzzer must've failed on the following service that was also a Turbo as the guard walked through the carriage with a green flag when she went to do the doors at Avoncliff.

Any idea which 166 it was or what service it was on after 2D05 0644 Weymouth to Trowbridge?

 

[Parallel]

Any idea which 166 it was or what service it was on after 2D05 0644 Weymouth to Trowbridge?

The following service was 08:45 Westbury to Gloucester (08:51 dep from Trowbridge).

 

[railfan26]

The following service was 08:45 Westbury to Gloucester (08:51 dep from Trowbridge).

Thank you so presuming must have been empty coaching Trowbridge to Westbury to then be restarted from Westbury?

 

[Parallel]

Thank you so presuming must have been empty coaching Trowbridge to Westbury to then be restarted from Westbury?

Oh, I think I misunderstood. The 6:44 Weymouth - Trowbridge train ran towards Bristol empty, so i assume it ran to the depot. I thought you were referring to the train afterwards - my apologies.

 

[railfan26]

Apologies was not written very well by myself to be honest so need to apologise. Thank you for the clarity

 

[railfan26]

Does anyone happen to know what type of 2 car unit covered this diagram today?

2F11 1125 Westbury - Frome
2C92 1140 Frome - Bristol Temple Meads
2K24 1323 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach
2K25 1412 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads
2K30 1523 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach
2K31 1612 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads
2C83 1728 Bristol Temple Meads - Weston-super-Mare
2K40 1816 Weston-super-Mare - Severn Beach
2C91 1942 Severn Beach - Taunton
2M74 2136 Taunton - Bristol Temple Meads

 

[cactustwirly]

Does anyone happen to know what type of 2 car unit covered this diagram today?

2F11 1125 Westbury - Frome
2C92 1140 Frome - Bristol Temple Meads
2K24 1323 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach
2K25 1412 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads
2K30 1523 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach
2K31 1612 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads
2C83 1728 Bristol Temple Meads - Weston-super-Mare
2K40 1816 Weston-super-Mare - Severn Beach
2C91 1942 Severn Beach - Taunton
2M74 2136 Taunton - Bristol Temple Meads

Most likely to be a 165

 

[railfan26]

I'm guessing this is also similarly going to be a 165 also then
2T33 1004 Cheltenham Spa - Taunton
2M57 1353 Taunton - Bristol Temple Meads
2C79 1505 Bristol Temple Meads - Weston-super-Mare
2K36 1610 Weston-super-Mare - Severn Beach
2K37 1742 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads
2C87 1906 Bristol Temple Meads - Taunton
2M72 2025 Taunton - Bristol Temple Meads

Thank you

158763 is working the below
5K18 0910 Exeter Tmd - Exeter St Davids 0916
2K18 0934 Exeter St Davids - Severn Beach 1202
2K19 1212 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads 1257
2C77 1307 Bristol Temple Meads - Taunton 1404
2K34 1519 Taunton - Severn Beach 1702
2K35 1712 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads 1749
2K38 1753 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach 1829
2K38 1753 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach 1829
2K39 1841 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads 1920
2K42 1953 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 2017
2K43 2022 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 2049

 

[Class 33]

I see the 2-car 165's are on Severn Beach line services now. Not a good idea, if these are going to be operating weekday services, especially the busy peak time services. Standing up, and crammed in like a tin of sardines! Oh god! Looks like I'll have to walk to Clifton Down station instead of the much nearer Redland station, as there's a bit more chance of getting a seat if getting on at that station - providing I'm one of the first to board the train!

 

[railfan26]

Any idea which 165s are working the line today at all?

 

[andyc20050]

For 3 weeks now the 0823 Southampton to Great Malvern has switched back to Sprinter operation. Only twice has a 158 operated with the rest being covered by a 150. 150001 or 150002 have covered once or twice each week, and ex northern rail 150207 once this week.

 

[PHILIPE]

For 3 weeks now the 0823 Southampton to Great Malvern has switched back to Sprinter operation. Only twice has a 158 operated with the rest being covered by a 150. 150001 or 150002 have covered once or twice each week, and ex northern rail 150207 once this week.

That's so a 15x can be attached in order to strengthen the 1730 ex Weymouth

 

[SWTrainspottin]

I see the 2-car 165's are on Severn Beach line services now. Not a good idea, if these are going to be operating weekday services, especially the busy peak time services. Standing up, and crammed in like a tin of sardines! Oh god! Looks like I'll have to walk to Clifton Down station instead of the much nearer Redland station, as there's a bit more chance of getting a seat if getting on at that station - providing I'm one of the first to board the train!

Certainly is better then the 166s in terms of operation. 166s lose time on the line due to their slow acceleration, which in turns leads to further delays throughout the day with trains passing each other at Clifton Down. As far as I'm aware, 165s have better acceleration so will keep to time better than a 166.

 

[JN114]

As far as I'm aware, 165s have better acceleration so will keep to time better than a 166.

Only marginally - drivetrain is identical; there’s just losses on the 166s for ever so slightly higher weight and losses from powering the AC system.

 

[Class 33]

Certainly is better then the 166s in terms of operation. 166s lose time on the line due to their slow acceleration, which in turns leads to further delays throughout the day with trains passing each other at Clifton Down. As far as I'm aware, 165s have better acceleration so will keep to time better than a 166.

Well that's good. But not so good that they only have 2 carriages and less seating capacity. And oh dear, I see from the Iris website http://iris2.rail.co.uk/tiger/renderstaffsoad.asp?file=30342E.xml - that one of them is on the Severn Beach line services today, including the very busy 0716 Severn Beach-Bristol Temple Meads service. Anyone boarding after Clifton Down is going to be standing and crammed in.

And GWR made such a fuss last year when the Turbo's were introduced on the Severn Beach line services. Saying "New 3-car trains with more seating.". Now, 2-car trains are creeping back on these services!

 

[Parallel]

Only marginally - drivetrain is identical; there’s just losses on the 166s for ever so slightly higher weight and losses from powering the AC system.

They can’t be slowed down from that often

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Only marginally - drivetrain is identical; there’s just losses on the 166s for ever so slightly higher weight and losses from powering the AC system.

Makes sense. I understand that 166s would be worse at stop start services, such as those on the Severn Beach Line because of this.

Well that's good. But not so good that they only have 2 carriages and less seating capacity. And oh dear, I see from the Iris website http://iris2.rail.co.uk/tiger/renderstaffsoad.asp?file=30342E.xml - that one of them is on the Severn Beach line services today, including the very busy 0716 Severn Beach-Bristol Temple Meads service. Anyone boarding after Clifton Down is going to be standing and crammed in.

And GWR made such a fuss last year when the Turbo's were introduced on the Severn Beach line services. Saying "New 3-car trains with more seating.". Now, 2-car trains are creeping back on these services!

That's very true, but at the end of the day, at least the train is running instead of being delayed or cancelled, which was the often case for 166 operation on the line because they couldn't keep to time. Their return trip and so on kept being delayed, which would've resulted in a cancellation later in the day, as sourced: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/public-meeting-called-discuss-unreliable-1474598

 

[railfan26]

Does anyone know what 2 car unit is working the beach today on 2K43 2003 Avonmouth to Bristol Temple Meads then on to 2E29 2041 Bristol Temple Meads - Worcester Shrub Hill?

 

[PHILIPE]

Does anyone know what 2 car unit is working the beach today on 2K43 2003 Avonmouth to Bristol Temple Meads then on to 2E29 2041 Bristol Temple Meads - Worcester Shrub Hill?

2K43 has recently been working 2C98 2306 Bristol TM to Exeter and 2E29 has been formed off 2M60 1917 ex Taunton

 

[railfan26]

2K43 has recently been working 2C98 2306 Bristol TM to Exeter and 3E39 has been formed off 2M60 1917 ex Taunton

Thank you will help tidy up my diagrams. Do you happen to know what formed 2K44 yesterday please and whether today 1F99 1930 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour split to form 2K44 2034 Bristol Temple Meads to Severn Beach?

 

[railfan26]

Today was 2K20 1203 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 1229 formed from 2U12 0925 St James' Park to Cardiff Central and did 2K17 1115 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 1149 form 2U14 1221 Bristol Temple Meads to Cardiff Central?

 

[ATW158Xpress]

Today was 2K20 1203 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 1229 formed from 2U12 0925 St James' Park to Cardiff Central and did 2K17 1115 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 1149 form 2U14 1221 Bristol Temple Meads to Cardiff Central?

Been a 3 car 158 on 2C79 1400 Cardiff to Taunton as I got on at Severn Tunnel Jn to Bristol. So must it swapped units at Bristol earlier today as I checked before travelling it formed was 2 cars instead of 3 but now formed of usual number of cars.

 

[PHILIPE]

Been a 3 car 158 on 2C79 1400 Cardiff to Taunton as I got on at Severn Tunnel Jn to Bristol. So must it swapped units at Bristol earlier today as I checked before travelling it formed was 2 cars instead of 3 but now formed of usual number of cars.

This is an Exeter starter but was a 165 rather than a 166 this morning and failed at Weston-super-Mare mid mornig

 

[ATW158Xpress]

At least it’s back to 3 car ready for the evening peak.

 

[railfan26]

Does anyone know what formed 2K20 and what became of 2K17 or was it usual diagram and just platform discrepancies on the data feed?

 

[railfan26]

Been a 3 car 158 on 2C79 1400 Cardiff to Taunton as I got on at Severn Tunnel Jn to Bristol. So must it swapped units at Bristol earlier today as I checked before travelling it formed was 2 cars instead of 3 but now formed of usual number of cars.

Any idea what number it was?

 

[ATW158Xpress]

Any idea what number it was?

Didn’t get the last 2 digets but it was still in FGW blue lively