GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[railfan26]

It's excellent that u have turned things around and are now providing unit information to those who ask, rather than it being just you endlessly asking! Brilliant - as this site, ultimately, works on a reciprocal, sharing basis.

If people ask for units I know I will share it with them but a majority of the units I am spotting are just the 6 working across the beach plus a few other turbo diagrams. Unlike yourself I am not in a position to sight to many units across the day or have resources to access information. Am trying my hardest but still clearly not up to your standard and like I say fully appreciate your views

 

[Parallel]

I will believe it when I see a 166 with seat numbers & little pieces of card stuck somewhere to the seats.

Maybe once they are finally able to install 2+2 seating, but not sure it'd be possible as they are now, unless you blu-tak'ed the bottom of the reservation card to the back (At the top) of the seat!

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Maybe once they are finally able to install 2+2 seating, but not sure it'd be possible as they are now, unless you blu-tak'ed the bottom of the reservation card to the back (At the top) of the seat!

It's all gone quiet on that front of the seats going 2+2. Don't expect there to be an interior change anytime soon!

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Would anyone be interested in seeing the remaining Turbo diagrams for Reading as well on here? There are still a fair few but more will begin to phase out in the future. Also been confirmed is that the Marlow, Henley and Windsor branches will remain Turbo operated for the foreseeable.

 

[railfan26]

And one last thing
2D03 0533 Weymouth - Bristol Parkway 0827 is formed from 2O96 2048 Bristol Temple Meads - Weymouth on Sunday night for the Monday morning
And
2O98 2049 Bristol Temple Meads - Weymouth for Tues-Fri

 

[CMRail]

Would anyone be interested in seeing the remaining Turbo diagrams for Reading as well on here? There are still a fair few but more will begin to phase out in the future. Also been confirmed is that the Marlow, Henley and Windsor branches will remain Turbo operated for the foreseeable.

Marlow out of electrification project anyway. Henley and Windsor postponed to CP6

 

[cactustwirly]

Would anyone be interested in seeing the remaining Turbo diagrams for Reading as well on here? There are still a fair few but more will begin to phase out in the future. Also been confirmed is that the Marlow, Henley and Windsor branches will remain Turbo operated for the foreseeable.

I think the diagrams are quite obvious, however it might be useful if the 'odd' ones are posted (ie Stopping trains to Reading and the odd Cotswold diagram etc)

 

[Siemens Staines]

Weekdays I think the only stopping trains to Reading are
2R60 1757 Paddington - Reading (5-car)
2P99 2102 Didcot - Paddington (2-car to Reading, 5-car to Paddington)

there are a few other peak hour limited stop trains that call at some of the principal intermediate stations between Paddington and Reading
1P03 0550 Oxford - Paddington (6-car)
1K07 0705 Bedwyn - Paddington (3-car)
1D35 1718 Paddington - Oxford (6-car)
1K34 2221 Paddington - Bedwyn (2-car)

As for fast Oxford/Cotswold diagrams they will be different next week from last week which was different from the week before that (as is the case with HST & IET diagrams). The only trains which must be turbo are
2W10 0514 Oxford - Worcester Foregate St (2-car)
2E92 0653 Worcester Foregate St - Didcot (2-car)

1W16 0750 Paddington - Great Malvern (6-car to Moreton-in-Marsh, 3-car to Great Malvern)
1P23 0950 Moreton-in-Marsh - Paddington (3-car)
1P27 1059 Great Malvern - Paddington (3-car)

but I expect there will be some others (especially fast Oxfords) in addition to these.

I am happy to be corrected if I have overlooked something.

 

[Kite159]

Other Turbos on stoppers towards Paddington:

2248 Reading to London Paddington

Forms an Oxford service

 

[cactustwirly]

The 1718 Paddington to Oxford (fast to Maidenhead, then stopper to Oxford) is also a turbo

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Thanks all for help. Will begin putting diagrams up.

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Weekdays I think the only stopping trains to Reading are
2R60 1757 Paddington - Reading (5-car)
2P99 2102 Didcot - Paddington (2-car to Reading, 5-car to Paddington)

there are a few other peak hour limited stop trains that call at some of the principal intermediate stations between Paddington and Reading
1P03 0550 Oxford - Paddington (6-car)
1K07 0705 Bedwyn - Paddington (3-car)
1D35 1718 Paddington - Oxford (6-car)
1K34 2221 Paddington - Bedwyn (2-car)

As for fast Oxford/Cotswold diagrams they will be different next week from last week which was different from the week before that (as is the case with HST & IET diagrams). The only trains which must be turbo are
2W10 0514 Oxford - Worcester Foregate St (2-car)
2E92 0653 Worcester Foregate St - Didcot (2-car)

1W16 0750 Paddington - Great Malvern (6-car to Moreton-in-Marsh, 3-car to Great Malvern)
1P23 0950 Moreton-in-Marsh - Paddington (3-car)
1P27 1059 Great Malvern - Paddington (3-car)

but I expect there will be some others (especially fast Oxfords) in addition to these.

I am happy to be corrected if I have overlooked something.

Isn't there a Banbury - Paddington stopper as well in the late evening?

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Reading Diagrams section added with a few there. I will add more soon.

 

[Melancholia]

Isn't there a Banbury - Paddington stopper as well in the late evening?

There used to be before May (2P99), however now they've been split to Banbury - Didcot Parkway, then Didcot Parkway - London Paddington.

The ECS for DID - PAD bizzarely enough, comes from Oxford BEHIND the BAN - DID part, then is in service from DID as 2P99.

 

[FGW_DID]

1P03 0550 Oxford - London Paddington
1W16 0750 London Paddington - Great Malvern
1P27 1059 Great Malvern - London Paddington
1D28 1350 London Paddington - Oxford
1P34 1601 Oxford - London Paddington
1D35 1718 London Paddington - Oxford (limited stops between Pad and Reading)

1P43 1932 Oxford - London Paddington
1D40 2050 London Paddington - Oxford
5L76 2155 Oxford - Didcot Parkway
2L76 2231 Didcot Parkway - Oxford

These are two separate diagrams, the top one is part of a 166 diagram, the lower is part of a 165(3) diagram.
They couple at Pad for 1D35 then split at Oxford.
The 166 diagram next works 2L61 19:37 Oxford - Didcot.

 

[railfan26]

Does anyone happen to know and of the turbo units that worked the below on Wednesday 11th September please

2K00 0514 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach
2K01 0600 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads
2Y04 0648 Bristol Temple Meads - Weston-super-Mare
2U06 0737 Weston-super-Mare - Cardiff Central
2C71 1000 Cardiff Central - Taunton
2U16 1204 Taunton - Cardiff Central
2C81 1500 Cardiff Central - Taunton
2U26 1706 Taunton - Cardiff Central
2C91 2000 Cardiff Central - Taunton
2M76 2245 Taunton - Bristol Temple Meads

2C63 0617 Gloucester - Taunton
2D06 0836 Taunton - Bristol Parkway
2Y12 1012 Bristol Parkway - Weston-super-Mare
2D10 1110 Weston-super-Mare - Bristol Parkway
2Y16 1212 Bristol Parkway - Weston-super-Mare
2D14 1310 Weston-super-Mare - Bristol Parkway
2Y20 1412 Bristol Parkway - Weston-super-Mare
2D18 1510 Weston-super-Mare - Bristol Parkway
2Y24 1612 Bristol Parkway - Weston-super-Mare
2D26 1716 Weston-super-Mare - Bristol Parkway
2Y28 1812 Bristol Parkway - Weston-super-Mare
2D30 1908 Weston-super-Mare - Bristol Parkway
2C25 2011 Bristol Parkway - Bristol Temple Meads
2K44 2034 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach
2K45 2129 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads
2K50 2216 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach
2K53 2254 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Mead

2D04 0735 Taunton - Bristol Parkway
2Y10 0912 Bristol Parkway - Weston-super-Mare
2D08 1010 Weston-super-Mare - Bristol Parkway
2Y14 1112 Bristol Parkway - Weston-super-Mare
2D12 1209 Weston-super-Mare - Bristol Parkway
2Y18 1312 Bristol Parkway - Weston-super-Mare
2D16 1410 Weston-super-Mare - Bristol Parkway
2Y22 1512 Bristol Parkway - Weston-super-Mare
2D22 1610 Weston-super-Mare - Bristol Parkway
2Y26 1712 Bristol Parkway - Weston-super-Mare
2K40 1816 Weston-super-Mare - Avonmouth
2K41 1932 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads
2O98 2049 Bristol Temple Meads - Weymouth

2K02 0548 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth
2K03 0629 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads
2K06 0703 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach
2K07 0751 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads
2K10 0836 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth
2K11 0915 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads
2K14 1003 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth
2K15 1034 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads
2K18 1116 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach
2K19 1154 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads
2K22 1234 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth
2K23 1315 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads
2K26 1403 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth
2K27 1434 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads
2K30 1516 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach
2K31 1554 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads
2K34 1635 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth
2K35 1715 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads
2K38 1803 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach
2K39 1845 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads
2C30 1949 Bristol Temple Meads - Frome
2A87 2102 Frome - Westbury

2C92 2038 Westbury - Bristol Temple Meads
2K46 2137 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth
2K49 2220 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads

2D02 0600 Exeter St Davids - Bristol Parkway
2C65 0812 Bristol Parkway - Taunton
2W08 0935 Taunton - Weston-super-Mare
5U14 1010 Weston-super-Mare - Taunton
2U14 1104 Taunton - Cardiff Central
2C79 1400 Cardiff Central - Taunton terminated at Bristol Temple Meads and returned to Start Phillips Marsh as 5C79.
2U24 1607 Taunton - Cardiff Central started from Bristol Temple Meads as unit swap for the above. Any idea of previous working?
2C89 1900 Cardiff Central - Taunton
5C89 2104 Taunton - St Phillips Marsh TMD

 

[chrisncal54]

Does anyone happen to know and of the turbo units that worked the below on Wednesday 11th September please

It remains really hard to believe that, less than a week ago, you were continuing to request unit details - whilst still providing none for any of these routings, nor the Beach diagrams you claimed are your providence here: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gwr-class-165-166-turbo-diagrams.157030/page-15#post-3627678 - in spite of the responsive sound of silence you have engendered for quite some time, even whilst on moderation for your me me me approach to this website.

 

[Dai Corner]

It remains really hard to believe that, less than a week ago, you were continuing to request details - whilst still providing none for any of these, nor the Beach diagrams you claimed are your providence here: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gwr-class-165-166-turbo-diagrams.157030/page-15#post-3627678 - in spite of the responsive sound of silence you have engendered for some time, even whilst on moderation for your me me me approach to this website.

I must admit I don't really understand railfan26's 'trainspotting by proxy' hobby either but each to their own.

 

[railfan26]

It remains really hard to believe that, less than a week ago, you were continuing to request unit details - whilst still providing none for any of these routings, nor the Beach diagrams you claimed are your providence here: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gwr-class-165-166-turbo-diagrams.157030/page-15#post-3627678 - in spite of the responsive sound of silence you have engendered for quite some time, even whilst on moderation for your me me me approach to this website.

Have got the diagrams and units stored but unsure on how to best share as people don't seem interested in what turbos worked which. So therefore am just keeping an eye out for anyone who needs any of the units

 

[railfan26]

I must admit I don't really understand railfan26's 'trainspotting by proxy' hobby either but each to their own.

Am just trying to see how the various 165 and 166 are performing across the month

 

[railfan26]

Yesterday's alternative workings due to Bristol parkway Closure on the Beach line

5K00 0415 St Philips Mrsh H S T D - Bristol Temple Meads 0444 formed of 2 units

166212 worked
2K00 0514 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach 0550
2K01 0600 Severn Beach to - Bristol Temple Meads 0641
2Y04 0648 Bristol Temple Meads - Weston-super-Mare 0721
2U06 0737 Weston-super-Mare - Cardiff Central 0926
5C71 0929 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central 0953
2C71 1000 Cardiff Central - Taunton 1154
2U16 1204 Taunton - Cardiff Central 1413
5C81 1418 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central
2C81 1500 Cardiff Central - Taunton 1659
2U26 1706 Taunton - Cardiff Central 1923
5C91 1932 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central
2C91 2000 Cardiff Central - Taunton 2210
2M76 2245 Taunton - Bristol Temple Meads 2350
2K53 2308 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads 2353(joins )
5K53 0023 Bristol Temple Meads - St Philips Mrsh H S T D 0052(forms )

166207 worked
2K02 0548 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 0612
5K03 0614 Avonmouth - Avonmouth 0619
2K03 0629 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 0658
2K06 0704 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach 0738
2K07 0751 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads 0832
2K10 0836 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 0902
2K11 0915 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 0947
2K14 1003 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 1029
2K15 1034 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 1108
2K18 1116 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach 1149
2K19 1154 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads 1232
2K22 1234 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 1300
2K23 1315 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 1350
2K26 1403 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 1429
2K27 1434 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 1506
2K30 1516 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach 1549
2K31 1554 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads 1632
2K34 1635 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 1700
2K35 1715 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 1747
2K38 1803 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach 1840
2K39 1845 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads 1928
2K44 2034 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach 2112
2K45 2129 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads 2207
2K50 2221 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach 2254
2K53 2308 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads 2353
2M76 2245 Taunton - Bristol Temple Meads 2351(joins )
5K53 0023 Bristol Temple Meads - St Philips Mrsh H S T D 0052(forms )
5K53 0023 Bristol Temple Meads - St Philips Mrsh H S T D 0052

166218 worked
2V94 2009 Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads 2237 from previous day. stabled at Bristol temple Meads platform 1
2K04 0630 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach 0707
2K05 0716 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads 0758
2K08 0803 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 0828
2K09 0836 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 0908
2K12 0916 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach 0951
2K13 0956 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads 1032
2K16 1034 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 1100
2K17 1115 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 1149
2K20 1203 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 1229
2K21 1234 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 1306
2K24 1316 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach 1351
2K25 1356 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads 1432
2K28 1434 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 1500
2K29 1515 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 1551
2K32 1603 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 1629
2K33 1634 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 1705
2K36 1713 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach 1751
2K37 1754 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads 1835
2K42 1933 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 1959
2K43 2003 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 2034
2U32 2121 Bristol Temple Meads to Cardiff Central 2214
2C96 2236 Cardiff Central to Bristol Temple Meads 2337
5C96 2353 Bristol Temple Meads to St Philips Mrsh H S T D 0025

158952 worked

5D04 0557 St Philips Mrsh H S T D - Taunton 0726
2D04 0735 Taunton to Bristol Temple Meads 0842
2Y10 0926 Bristol Temple Meads to Weston-super-Mare 1000
2D08 1010 Weston-super-Mare to Bristol Temple Meads 1044
2Y14 1126 Bristol Temple Meads to Weston-super-Mare 1159
2D12 1209 Weston-super-Mare to Bristol Temple Meads 1244
2Y18 1326 Bristol Temple Meads-Weston-super-Mare 1359
2D16 1410 Weston-super-Mare to Bristol Temple Meads 1444
2Y22 1526 Bristol Temple Meads to Weston-super-Mare 1559
2D22 1610 Weston-super-Mare to Bristol Temple Meads 1644
2Y26 1726 Bristol Temple Meads to Weston-super-Mare 1800
2K40 1816 Weston-super-Mare - Avonmouth 1922
2K41 1932 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 2002
5K41 2008 Bristol Temple Meads to St Philips Mrsh H S T D 2029

150249 worked
5B01 05:45 Westbury Dmu Sidings to Westbury
1B01 05:58 Westbury to Cardiff Central
5F07 07:44 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central
1F07 Cardiff Central 08:30 Portsmouth Harbour to Bristol temple meads
1F18 Portsmouth Harbour 12:23 CrdfCen 15:46(From Bristol Temple Meads 1500)
5F27 CrdfCen 15:55 CrdfCen 16:18
1F27 CrdfCen 16:30 PHbr 19:51(to Westbury)
5F27 WstbryW 18:10 Wstbds 18:23
5C92 2027 Westbury Dmu Sidings - Westbury 2035
2C92 2038 Westbury - Bristol Temple Meads 2128
2K46 2137 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 2205
2K49 2220 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads 2253

 

[chrisncal54]

Have got the diagrams and units stored but unsure on how to best share as people don't seem interested in what turbos worked which. So therefore am just keeping an eye out for anyone who needs any of the units

But you are still asking for 'what units' on wnnx, as we know!!!

 

[father_jack]

Seems like an embargoed unit 166202 got to Cardiff but wasn't noticed until it was time to come back
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C42256/2018/09/21/advanced

 

[pompeyfan]

The below post was taken from the HST-GTi thread

The sign is a reminder to drivers to not touch the door controls - it's designed to mitigate against the scenario exactly as you describe. Once the 16x fleet is fitted with selective door opening, this temporary method of Guard release at short platforms only will be history and the signs redundant.

How is the SDO intended to work in the Turbos? I’d assume there isn’t a computer to do it, so the driver will be given extra open buttons to press, much like the 442s had an extra bank of buttons on the bulkhead to open either all 10 or front 5?

 

[CC 72100]

The below post was taken from the HST-GTi thread



How is the SDO intended to work in the Turbos? I’d assume there isn’t a computer to do it, so the driver will be given extra open buttons to press, much like the 442s had an extra bank of buttons on the bulkhead to open either all 10 or front 5?

It's meant to be automatic, so the train should know where it is and which doors that equates to in terms of opening, so the driver still presumably will still press 'open' and the system should have already worked out 'what to open?'

That said, while some Turbos are having the hardware fitted, it's a long way off being operational for the moment, and so the above is just based on my understanding of what an Automatic Selective Door Opening system should do.

What the final product looks like and the required interaction at this stage is unknown outside of those heavily involved with the project.

It should be able to do a full range of doors though, as opposed to just one unit etc.

 

[pompeyfan]

It's meant to be automatic, so the train should know where it is and which doors that equates to in terms of opening, so the driver still presumably will still press 'open' and the system should have already worked out 'what to open?'

That said, while some Turbos are having the hardware fitted, it's a long way off being operational for the moment, and so the above is just based on my understanding of what an Automatic Selective Door Opening system should do.

What the final product looks like and the required interaction at this stage is unknown outside of those heavily involved with the project.

It should be able to do a full range of doors though, as opposed to just one unit etc.

That is usually how ASDO works but usually a computer has to process the data, either via beacons on the track or GPS. I’d assume that Turbos don’t have any sort of computer because of their age, some I’m just wondering where this processing power will come from. Maybe I’m overthinking it.

 

[CC 72100]

That is usually how ASDO works but usually a computer has to process the data, either via beacons on the track or GPS. I’d assume that Turbos don’t have any sort of computer because of their age, some I’m just wondering where this processing power will come from. Maybe I’m overthinking it.

I believe it is GPS-based, but that's about all I know unfortunately.

 

[SWTrainspottin]

The below post was taken from the HST-GTi thread



How is the SDO intended to work in the Turbos? I’d assume there isn’t a computer to do it, so the driver will be given extra open buttons to press, much like the 442s had an extra bank of buttons on the bulkhead to open either all 10 or front 5?

It's meant to be automatic, so the train should know where it is and which doors that equates to in terms of opening, so the driver still presumably will still press 'open' and the system should have already worked out 'what to open?'

That said, while some Turbos are having the hardware fitted, it's a long way off being operational for the moment, and so the above is just based on my understanding of what an Automatic Selective Door Opening system should do.

What the final product looks like and the required interaction at this stage is unknown outside of those heavily involved with the project.

It should be able to do a full range of doors though, as opposed to just one unit etc.

If you're wondering how they operate at short platforms - Turbos don't have SDO, just the ASDO door control panels in the front set of doors at each end coach. At stations with short platforms, the guard operates the doors with this panel with use of the local door switch only. Any other station where a whole Turbo can fit, the doors are as usual released by the driver and closed by the guard.

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Seems like an embargoed unit 166202 got to Cardiff but wasn't noticed until it was time to come back
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C42256/2018/09/21/advanced

Embargoed?

 

[CC 72100]

If you're wondering how they operate at short platforms - Turbos don't have SDO, just the ASDO door control panels in the front set of doors at each end coach. At stations with short platforms, the guard operates the doors with this panel with use of the local door switch only. Any other station where a whole Turbo can fit, the doors are as usual released by the driver and closed by the guard.

That is not ASDO. That is just a local door facility which manually allows you to open that doors only. ASDO will supersede local door only operation.