GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[ATW158Xpress]

Embargoed?

I thought the only Turbos were only embargoed in the Bristol area were the non RHM units e.g 166201.

 

[PHILIPE]

I thought the only Turbos were only embargoed in the Bristol area were the non RHM units e.g 166201.

I stand to be corrected as I'm not completely sure but I have read somewhere that there is a problem with gangway connections preventing them from working through the Severn Tunnel until a modification is done. In fact, I'd welcome the correct reason myself.

 

[FGW_DID]

I stand to be corrected as I'm not completely sure but I have read somewhere that there is a problem with gangway connections preventing them from working through the Severn Tunnel until a modification is done. In fact, I'd welcome the correct reason myself.

It wasn’t a modification as such, to achieve safety validation to operate through the Tunnel, the unit had to have both sets of ‘bi-parting saloon end doors’ operative.
Over in LTV land, the Turbos ccould enter traffic with one set locked out but to use the Tunnel both sets have to be working.

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Looks like a two car 165 is standing in for a four car 387 on the following services this evening:

17:04 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington due 18:28
18:45 London Paddington to Reading due 19:49
20:00 Reading to London Paddington due 20:58
21:15 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 22:39
23:21 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington due 00:42

 

[cactustwirly]

Looks like a two car 165 is standing in for a four car 387 on the following services this evening:

17:04 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington due 18:28
18:45 London Paddington to Reading due 19:49
20:00 Reading to London Paddington due 20:58
21:15 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 22:39
23:21 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington due 00:42

Why?
It's a reduced TT on Sundays, so there should be plenty of 387s about

 

[FGW_DID]

Looks like a two car 165 is standing in for a four car 387 on the following services this evening:

17:04 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington due 18:28
18:45 London Paddington to Reading due 19:49
20:00 Reading to London Paddington due 20:58
21:15 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 22:39
23:21 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington due 00:42

No idea why but those workings are on two 387 diagrams so it should be 2 vice 8! Genius is still staying there are two 387s (387145 & 165) allocated to the workings.

 

[JN114]

I concur with FGW_DID - it’s an 8 car 387 in play - perhaps an earlier plan to 2 vice 8 was advertised by the LTV info controller; but not reversed when the depot wizards and their magic spanners sprung forth an 8 car.

 

[FGW_DID]

depot wizards and their magic spanners

 

[SWTrainspottin]

I concur with FGW_DID - it’s an 8 car 387 in play - perhaps an earlier plan to 2 vice 8 was advertised by the LTV info controller; but not reversed when the depot wizards and their magic spanners sprung forth an 8 car.

No idea why but those workings are on two 387 diagrams so it should be 2 vice 8! Genius is still staying there are two 387s (387145 & 165) allocated to the workings.

My apologies; JourneyCheck stated 2 vice 4.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

According to the latest (November 2018) issue of 'Modern Railways', the first 2 5-car Turbo train diagrams to Portsmouth Harbour will be the 07:30 and 17:30 services from Cardiff Central. At last larger trains!

I wonder what feedback will be given to these trains for long-distance passengers. Look at the quite poor feedback on SWR's Class 450's (3+2 seating) against the 2+2 Class 444's that have positive feedback!

My Guide to Services GWR book basically said it was during this timetable change. Must be further delays in electrification.

 

[swt_passenger]

According to the latest (November 2018) issue of 'Modern Railways', the first 2 5-car Turbo train diagrams to Portsmouth Harbour will be the 07:30 and 17:30 services from Cardiff Central. At last larger trains!

The delay has been previously explained as due to route clearance of Ground Signals in the Portsmouth Harbour area. I believe they’d already be running except for that problem.

 

[Kite159]

According to the latest (November 2018) issue of 'Modern Railways', the first 2 5-car Turbo train diagrams to Portsmouth Harbour will be the 07:30 and 17:30 services from Cardiff Central. At last larger trains!

I wonder what feedback will be given to these trains for long-distance passengers. Look at the quite poor feedback on SWR's Class 450's (3+2 seating) against the 2+2 Class 444's that have positive feedback!

My Guide to Services GWR book basically said it was during this timetable change. Must be further delays in electrification.

The car is looking even more appealing by the day for those folk travelling from Southampton to Newport, instead of a nice 2+2 seated 158 with reservations, tables seats & folding seat back tables replaced by 3+2 outer suburban units with limited tables, (highly likely) no seat reservations and no folding seat back tables.

Those folding seat back tables are useful for when you have cups of coffee, as somewhere to rest the cup when it was half full.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

Ah right, sorry ! I remember now something on here being said about ground signals.

 

[cactustwirly]

The car is looking even more appealing by the day for those folk travelling from Southampton to Newport, instead of a nice 2+2 seated 158 with reservations, tables seats & folding seat back tables replaced by 3+2 outer suburban units with limited tables, (highly likely) no seat reservations and no folding seat back tables.

Those folding seat back tables are useful for when you have cups of coffee, as somewhere to rest the cup when it was half full.

But there's a lot more seats, so a lot less likely that you'll have to stand

 

[Kite159]

But there's a lot more seats, so a lot less likely that you'll have to stand

Hardly anybody likes 3+2 seating and some will prefer to stand rather than sitting between two other passengers.

 

[ATW158Xpress]

166205 now has lettered coaches A-C.

 

[Kite159]

166205 now has lettered coaches A-C.

But unless it has gained some method of having seat numbers and a method of being able to hold seat reservation slips, it will be like a 350 on LNWR having coaches being lettered A-B-C-D.

 

[JN114]

Due to failure of IET traction, 1P13 0701 Oxford to London Paddington will be formed 165135 this morning.

 

[Richard Bishop]

166205 on 2U26 1648 Great Malvern to Cardiff replaced at Gloucester by 166213.
Defective internal doors given as reason so unable to traverse Severn tunnel.

 

[Parallel]

Unsure if it’s a Turbo on the 17:49 Bristol to Weymouth (it usually is though) but the train operating this service today terminated at Frome with a train fault. Next train for Weymouth three hours later. (Unrelated side note, the 17:23 Bristol to Portsmouth was a 2 car 150 vice 3 car 158+2 car 150 today. 2 cars vice 5. Ouch!)

 

[JN114]

Unsure if it’s a Turbo on the 17:49 Bristol to Weymouth (it usually is though) but the train operating this service today terminated at Frome with a train fault. Next train for Weymouth three hours later. (Unrelated side note, the 17:23 Bristol to Portsmouth was a 2 car 150 vice 3 car 158+2 car 150 today. 2 cars vice 5. Ouch!)

Engine isolated - not allowed to outstable a 16x with an engine isolated; 17:49 Bristol Weymouth spends the night at Weymouth and (usually) works the 2nd Weymouth up in the morning.

 

[Siemens Staines]

I notice that journeycheck is reporting a booked 4-car turn on Paddington - Bedwyn (albeit a 2-car today). I have never seen a pair of 16x on Bedwyn trains before, so is this a recent change?

07:05 Bedwyn to London Paddington due 08:41
09:06 London Paddington to Bedwyn due 10:19
10:41 Bedwyn to London Paddington due 11:52
12:06 London Paddington to Bedwyn due 13:19
This is due to a broken down train.
Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 4.
Last Updated:01/11/2018 06:12

 

[JN114]

I notice that journeycheck is reporting a booked 4-car turn on Paddington - Bedwyn (albeit a 2-car today). I have never seen a pair of 16x on Bedwyn trains before, so is this a recent change?

07:05 Bedwyn to London Paddington due 08:41
09:06 London Paddington to Bedwyn due 10:19
10:41 Bedwyn to London Paddington due 11:52
12:06 London Paddington to Bedwyn due 13:19
This is due to a broken down train.
Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 4.
Last Updated:01/11/2018 06:12

Looks like a typo to me; those trains are all diagrammed 3 car Turbo. Also while the new length siding has been commissioned at Bedwyn, I’ve not yet seen authority for us to put longer than a 3 car on passenger services to Bedwyn yet.

 

[JonathanH]

I notice that journeycheck is reporting a booked 4-car turn on Paddington - Bedwyn (albeit a 2-car today). I have never seen a pair of 16x on Bedwyn trains before, so is this a recent change?

07:05 Bedwyn to London Paddington due 08:41
09:06 London Paddington to Bedwyn due 10:19
10:41 Bedwyn to London Paddington due 11:52
12:06 London Paddington to Bedwyn due 13:19
This is due to a broken down train.
Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 4.
Last Updated:01/11/2018 06:12

Is it possible that running 4 cars to Bedwyn has only just been enabled by the extension of the reversing siding for IETs and the 0705 was deemed right for a capacity increase.

Edit: obviously not from the more informed comment above.

 

[Siemens Staines]

Looks like a typo to me; those trains are all diagrammed 3 car Turbo. Also while the new length siding has been commissioned at Bedwyn, I’ve not yet seen authority for us to put longer than a 3 car on passenger services to Bedwyn yet.

Thank you for the reply. I did wonder if it was a typo but I know that the 07:05 Bedwyn - Paddington is an extremely busy train in to Reading, so not beyond the realms of possibility that it would be strengthened if it was possible, but it sounds like it isn't.

 

[causton]

But unless it has gained some method of having seat numbers and a method of being able to hold seat reservation slips, it will be like a 350 on LNWR having coaches being lettered A-B-C-D.

I assume you mean LNR? I don't think Network Rail operate 350s.

In any case, the 350s when they are being reliveried (at least the full relivery on the 350/1s and /3s) are having the coach letters removed, much to the displeasure of the people who used them to carry out their job!

 

[Kite159]

I assume you mean LNR? I don't think Network Rail operate 350s.

In any case, the 350s when they are being reliveried (at least the full relivery on the 350/1s and /3s) are having the coach letters removed, much to the displeasure of the people who used them to carry out their job!

LNWR is my way of shortening London NorthWestern Railway.

Farewell to the random coach letters on the 350s,

 

[Siemens Staines]

Non RHM 165136 coupled on to the rear of RHM 166217 at Reading on 2P99 2102 Didcot - Paddington this evening. This is the first time I have seen a mixed height pair in passenger use.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

That might be the 6-car Turbo I saw go past the track alongside the Railway Centre at Didcot this morning when waiting for the a bit delayed 08:35 to Ealing Broadway instead of my intended 09:08. It's rare to have a 166 coupled to a 165 in the Thames Valley now.

 

[FGW_DID]

That might be the 6-car Turbo I saw

Doubt it, 165136 + 166217 would be 5 cars!