GWR Intercity Express Train (IEP) initial diagrams & allocations

[Mitchell Hurd]

The 20:00 and 20:15 being on a weekday I mean !

 

[hexagon789]

When will,these new super fast trains be a fast as the hst were 40 years ago? Bristol Parkway in 63 mins. London to Swindon in 40 mins. A massive amount of money has been spent of new trains and so called route improvements and yet trains 40 years ago were faster.
I have the BR timetables from way back and they make illuminating reading. The current trains have been deliberately slowed and have so much running time.
Of course when a few minutes are shaved off by the new trains they will be heralded as being faster.
Not everyone has a short memory or is so easily conned.
Our new high speed trains are much slower than trains 40 years ago. They have more seats crammed into each coach with less leg room. They have under floor engines which will beintolerably load and intrusive on the banks of Devon and Cornwall.
How are these new trains an improvement?
They look like standard modern design cattle trains that are amongst the most uncomfortable in the world.
Progress? Don't be daft.

I very much agree, it will be a sad day indeed when the last GWR and VTEC HST is removed from service.

The timetable padding is a joke, fair enough you have more trains now but as the IEPs are going to "cut" journey times surely that isn't simply down to superior acceleration on electric power, can't save time if you only catch every else up really.

Definitely not progress I'm my book, but they are shiny, new, squeeze in more passengers and can run on electric and so are preferable to perfectly good InterCity trains whose only major fault arguably is their age.

 

[jimm]

I very much agree, it will be a sad day indeed when the last GWR and VTEC HST is removed from service.

The timetable padding is a joke, fair enough you have more trains now but as the IEPs are going to "cut" journey times surely that isn't simply down to superior acceleration on electric power, can't save time if you only catch every else up really.

Definitely not progress I'm my book, but they are shiny, new, squeeze in more passengers and can run on electric and so are preferable to perfectly good InterCity trains whose only major fault arguably is their age.

What does any of this have to do with diagrams and allocations?

 

[father_jack]

1945 PAD SWA 5 car only last night. 2045 PAD SWA 10 car with 5 locked out last night.

This morning 0745, 0815 and 0900 BRI PAD all late off depot, some ran retimed and on different headcode but all 3 were 5 car only.

 

[IanXC]

1945 PAD SWA 5 car only last night. 2045 PAD SWA 10 car with 5 locked out last night.

This morning 0745, 0815 and 0900 BRI PAD all late off depot, some ran retimed and on different headcode but all 3 were 5 car only.

Ugh yes thats a bit sharp practice.

1A07 0745 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington CANCELLED
1Z07 0835 Bristol Temple Meads to Loondon Paddington VSTP

1A08 0815 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington CANCELLED
1Z08 0900 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington VSTP

That said both were due to a points failure rather than stock issues per se so its not clear that Hitachi or GWR had any blame in this mess.

 

[father_jack]

I smell PPM books being cooked.

 

[JN114]

Ugh yes thats a bit sharp practice.

1A07 0745 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington CANCELLED
1Z07 0835 Bristol Temple Meads to Loondon Paddington VSTP

1A08 0815 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington CANCELLED
1Z08 0900 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington VSTP

That said both were due to a points failure rather than stock issues per se so its not clear that Hitachi or GWR had any blame in this mess.

Points failure in Stoke Gifford/Filton area caused congestion at Bristol Parkway; sets couldn’t get off Stoke Gifford blah blah...

The 1Zxx VSTP with the WTT train cancelled is an NR performance fiddle, that I won’t comment further on! The units that were meant to be 1A07 worked 1Z07; and the units that were meant to be 1A08 worked 1Z08...

 

[JN114]

I smell PPM books being cooked.

Has no impact on PPM. Cancellations equal automatic failure. VSTP trains do not count towards PPM - running a 1Zxx doesn’t earn you an extra pass to boost statistics.

 

[PHILIPE]

GWR Twitter has said due to Engineering Work overrun

 

[JN114]

GWR Twitter has said due to Engineering Work overrun

Strictly speaking it was both - engineering overrun caused by a points failure within a possession. The possession was handed back long before the points were fixed though.

Anyway enough tangential discussion!

 

[father_jack]

Has no impact on PPM. Cancellations equal automatic failure. VSTP trains do not count towards PPM - running a 1Zxx doesn’t earn you an extra pass to boost statistics.

I didn't know that.

 

[father_jack]

Points failure in Stoke Gifford/Filton area caused congestion at Bristol Parkway; sets couldn’t get off Stoke Gifford blah blah...

The 1Zxx VSTP with the WTT train cancelled is an NR performance fiddle, that I won’t comment further on! The units that were meant to be 1A07 worked 1Z07; and the units that were meant to be 1A08 worked 1Z08...

5A10 came off Stoke Gifford earlier and worked 1Z08 if I recall correctly.

My real reason for posting was it was three 5 cars on a row !!!

 

[Class 33]

Any chance someone could update the Frequently Requested Diagrams thread with the up to date Class 800 diagrams please? As the current diagrams on there state "Valid Until Sunday 25th March". And it's confusing trying to find the up to date diagrams in this thread with the multitude of postings in here.

 

[PHILIPE]

Any chance someone could update the Frequently Requested Diagrams thread with the up to date Class 800 diagrams please? As the current diagrams on there state "Valid Until Sunday 25th March". And it's confusing trying to find the up to date diagrams in this thread with the multitude of postings in here.

Depends if somebody knows what the up to date diagrams are

 

[Siemens Staines]

Any chance someone could update the Frequently Requested Diagrams thread with the up to date Class 800 diagrams please? As the current diagrams on there state "Valid Until Sunday 25th March". And it's confusing trying to find the up to date diagrams in this thread with the multitude of postings in here.

I "think" these are current but the ongoing electrification works mean that there are frequent alterations. Even when this is late at night and only impacts a handful of services it can mean alterations to swap over hst and IET operated trains earlier in the day to get the right sort of traction in to position to fit in with the engineering work (crew traction/route knowledge etc). I am happy to be corrected if I have made any mistakes;

Weekdays
5 car diagrams
1W12 0547 Paddington - Worcester Foregate St
1P22 0825 Worcester Foregate St - Paddington
1W23 1122 Paddington - Worcester Foregate St
1P33 1355 Worcester Foregate St - Paddington

1W14 0652 Paddington - Great Malvern
1P25 0954 Great Malvern - Paddington
1W29 1421 Paddington - Worcester Foregate St
1P42 1726 Worcester Foregate St - Paddington

1W19 0921 Paddington - Worcester Foregate St
1P29 1200 Worcester Foregate St - Paddington

1W33 1622 Paddington - Great Malvern
1P47 1942 Great Malvern - Paddington

10 car diagrams
1L08 0458 Swansea - Paddington
1C06 0830 Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads
1A14 1100 Bristol Temple Meads - Paddington
1B37 1315 Paddington - Cardiff
1L74 1556 Cardiff - Paddington
1C26 1830 Paddington - Weston super Mare
2M70 2134 Weston super Mare - Bristol Temple Meads

1C01 0519 Paddington - Swansea
1L48 0929 Swansea - Paddington
1C15 1300 Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads
1A23 1530 Bristol Temple Meads - Paddington
1B69 1745 Paddington - Swansea

1A03 0600 Bristol Temple Meads - Paddington
1B12 0815 Paddington - Cardiff
1L51 1056 Cardiff - Paddington
1B40 1345 Paddington - Swansea
1L90 1729 Swansea - Paddington

1C02 0630 Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads
1A10 0900 Bristol Temple Meads - Paddington
1B27 1115 Paddington - Cardiff
1L65 1356 Cardiff - Paddington
1C22 1630 Paddington - Taunton

1A09 0712 Taunton - Paddington
1B25 1045 Paddington - Swansea
1L71 1429 Swansea - Paddington
1C25 1800 Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads
1A33 2030 Bristol Temple Meads - Paddington
1B94 2245 Paddington - Swansea

1L42 0730 Carmarthen - Paddington
1B31 1215 Paddington - Cardiff
1L68 1456 Cardiff - Paddington
1C24 1730 Paddington - Taunton
1A37 2127 Taunton - Paddington

1B05 0645 Paddington - Swansea
1L52 1029 Swansea - Paddington
1C17 1400 Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads
1A25 1630 Bristol Temple Meads - Paddington
1B79 1845 Paddington - Swansea

1L38 0759 Swansea - Paddington
1C13 1200 Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads
1A21 1430 Bristol Temple Meads - Paddington
1B59 1645 Paddington - Swansea
1L96 2029 Swansea - Paddington

1L24 0629 Swansea - Paddington
1B22 1015 Paddington - Cardiff
1L60 1256 Cardiff - Paddington
1B51 1545 Paddington - Swansea
1L94 1929 Swansea - Paddington

1C03 0700 Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads
1A11 0930 Bristol Temple Meads - Paddington
1B28 1145 Paddington - Swansea
1L76 1529 Swansea - Paddington
1C27 1900 Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads

1L01 0445 Bristol Temple Meads - Paddington
1B09 0715 Paddington - Cardiff
1L46 0956 Cardiff - Paddington
1C14 1230 Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads
1A22 1500 Bristol Temple Meads - Paddington
1B63 1715 Paddington - Carmarthen

2Y03 0603 Bristol Temple Meads - Weston super Mare
1A07 0648 Weston super Mare - Paddington
1C09 1000 Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads
1A17 1230 Bristol Temple Meads - Paddington
1B46 1445 Paddington - Swansea
1L92 1829 Swansea - Paddington
1C33 2215 Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads

1A02 0529 Bristol Temple Meads - Paddington
1B10 0745 Paddington - Swansea
1L55 1129 Swansea - Paddington
1C19 1500 Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads
1A26 1700 Bristol Temple Meads - Paddington
1U28 1912 Paddington - Bristol Temple Meads

 

[D1009]

I make that a total of 13 10 car diagrams and 3 5 cars, so a total of 29. How many 5 car sets are still to enter service?

 

[Class 33]

Thanks for that info. Cheers.

 

[ATW158Xpress]

800 035 seen in passenger service today in Newport.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

Thanks to whoever has posted the up to date diagrams for the weekday Class 800's. Looks like the 20:00 or 20:15 from London to Didcot will not be 5 coaches unless a set swap happens.

I'm glad I've opted for the 20:15 as I can allow the 17:32 (booked for a HST) from Nottingham to be a bit late into London St. Pancras plus the Underground as well!

 

[D1009]

800 035 seen in passenger service today in Newport.

That one's been around for a couple of weeks. I haven't seen 800001 to 800004, 800007, 019 or 036 in service.

 

[ATW158Xpress]

That one's been around for a couple of weeks. I haven't seen 800001 to 800004, 800007, 019 or 036 in service.

800 001 to 004 are used by GWR for test train and driver training. But not seen these out and about for a while now.

 

[CC 72100]

That one's been around for a couple of weeks. I haven't seen 800001 to 800004, 800007, 019 or 036 in service.

019 is definitely out.

 

[D1009]

800 001 to 004 are used by GWR for test train and driver training. But not seen these out and about for a while now.

I saw a photo in a rail magazine, probably the latest Rail, of 800001 having its GWR livery applied, so I expect it will soon enter normal service. However if there are 30 sets for 29 diagrams, it's hardly surprising there are currently short formations.

 

[Siemens Staines]

I saw a photo in a rail magazine, probably the latest Rail, of 800001 having its GWR livery applied, so I expect it will soon enter normal service. However if there are 30 sets for 29 diagrams, it's hardly surprising there are currently short formations.

Indeed. There were at least four 5-car vice 10-car diagrams all day today.

 

[father_jack]

1545 Pad Swansea cancelled without warning at Bristol Parkway this afternoon. Back working 1929 Swansea Paddington cancelled throughout also. No drivers.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

019 is definitely out.

It is indeed - here it is, 800 019 as seen at Reading on 23rd April.

 

[nat67]

Has anyone heard about 800007 I still haven't seen it yet.

 

[jimm]

Can we please stick to IET diagrams in this thread and use the Class 800 thread in the rolling stock section for sightings and deliveries of the trains.

800007 was mentioned in that thread a week or so ago if you care to look for the post. Probably a page or two back by now from the latest page, which I've linked to below

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/class-800.100841/page-246

 

[PHILIPE]

GWR, on Journey Check, have come up with a new "cut and paste" to explain IETs running with 5 instead of 10 (3 circuits today). "Due to disruption yesterday, some trains finished up at the wrong Depot last night".

 

[JN114]

GWR, on Journey Check, have come up with a new "cut and paste" to explain IETs running with 5 instead of 10 (3 circuits today). "Due to disruption yesterday, some trains finished up at the wrong Depot last night".

As a direct result of comments made here (and elsewhere), complaining that using the default “more trains than usual needing repairs” - was dishonest and misleading.