GWR operating short 'HSTGTi' sets (see diagrams section for workings)

[Kieran1990]

Its a shame that Great Western can't keep their 180's a bit longer to cover.

Sadly committed to GC as their HST replacement and also allowing their 180's a much needed refurb- travelled this afternoon on one from KGX-WKG and the old first group interior is in real need of an update.
I will miss flying on one the Great Western but they do really move on the ECML!

 

[yorksrob]

Sadly committed to GC as their HST replacement and also allowing their 180's a much needed refurb- travelled this afternoon on one from KGX-WKG and the old first group interior is in real need of an update.
I will miss flying on one the Great Western but they do really move on the ECML!

Well, the HST's haven't got any plans for next year, so perhaps GC can keep those a little longer as well.

 

[43096]

Well, the HST's haven't got any plans for next year, so perhaps GC can keep those a little longer as well.

No plans that we know of. There could be things happening behind the scenes that are not public.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

No plans that we know of. There could be things happening behind the scenes that are not public.

Why haven't the 150/1s gone yet????

 

[D1009]

Why haven't the 150/1s gone yet????

Because at the minute GWR can't do without them. There are already widespread short formations in Devon, thanks to the 150/2 refurb and the 143 paint jobs.

 

[PHILIPE]

Because at the minute GWR can't do without them. There are already widespread short formations in Devon, thanks to the 150/2 refurb and the 143 paint jobs.

Not just Devon but over the whole Network. You've only got to look at Journey Check Formations to see this although GWR say due to more trains having attention than usual.

 

[Wivenswold]

How about Short Haul Intercity Trains?

The acronym will certainly catch on.

 

[43096]

How about Short Haul Intercity Trains?

The acronym will certainly catch on.

That acronym is already taken for the Super Hitachi Intercity Trains.

 

[capital12]

Mk3 with sliding door opening and closing viewable this afternoon from platform at Doncaster!

It's an old Virgin liveried coach, couldn't see the number.

 

[43096]

mk3 with sliding door opening and closing viewable this afternoon from platform at doncaster!



It's an old virgin liveried coach, couldn't see the number.

11028

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Any videos/images?

 

[dmncf]

I understand that the main driver of these HST upgrades is to meet the Persons of Reduced Mobility Technical Specification for Interoperability (PRM-TSI) deadline of 1 January 2020. I guess this drives the power door upgrade and any accessible toilet upgrade.

Will there be any other upgrades due to PRM-TSI, such as an audio-visual announcement system? I guess that's a different aspect of accessibilility. Are any of the HST train operators adding this anyway?

I assume that the controlled emission toilets upgrade isn't due to PRM-TSI. Is there different legislation, or perhaps commitments to rail worker unions, driving this?

 

[VP185]

Short formed HSTs on GWR won't be happening.

 

[221129]

Short formed HSTs on GWR won't be happening.

According to whom? and what is going to replace them instead then?

 

[YorkshireBear]

According to whom? and what is going to replace them instead then?

I think they already have a set at Wabtec for conversion.....

 

[CosherB]

Short formed HSTs on GWR won't be happening.

Can you provide a source for that gem of information?

 

[50031]

Short formed HSTs on GWR won't be happening.

Any evidence for this? 1st short formed HST is due out in November. They are needed to cover for less Turbos being cascaded for the time being.

 

[mushroomchow]

Going back to coach layouts, I don't know why everybody waxes lyrical about table seats. They're so cramped it's unreal, so unless you're travelling in a group and specifically book one between you they're not worth the hassle. I had the joy of sitting at one on a journey home on bank holiday Monday and spent the two hour journey trying to simultaneously avoid playing footsie with a complete stranger and losing all feeling in my legs.

That might float some people's boats, but I'd rather sit in the vestibule than have to endure that again! :roll:

 

[Darandio]

Can you provide a source for that gem of information?

Many of their previous posts suggest they are a GWR driver, i'm intrigued.

Of course, many people say many things on here and they aren't always true, but we shall see if they reply.

 

[Darandio]

Going back to coach layouts, I don't know why everybody waxes lyrical about table seats.

I don't think everyone does. I would though, it allows the family to sit together.

 

[VP185]

Any evidence for this? 1st short formed HST is due out in November. They are needed to cover for less Turbos being cascaded for the time being.

Have you seen the progress made with the 1st short formed HST?

All I will say is that you're trying to make huge structural changes to a vehicle that is 40+ years old. There's the problem and the reason why it isn't happening.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Have you seen the progress made with the 1st short formed HST?

All I will say is that you're trying to make huge structural changes to a vehicle that is 40+ years old. There's the problem and the reason why it isn't happening.

Er, what?

The sliding door design does NOT require huge structural changes - that's the whole point of it!

What other huge structural changes are required?

 

[Bletchleyite]

I don't think everyone does. I would though, it allows the family to sit together.

About half and half table and airline is about right to me (roughly the original Class 158 layout or the 1990s Mk3 layout).

 

[Darandio]

Have you seen the progress made with the 1st short formed HST?

All I will say is that you're trying to make huge structural changes to a vehicle that is 40+ years old. There's the problem and the reason why it isn't happening.

I thought it was (roughly) the same as what now exists on Chiltern Mk3 sets, a proven design?

 

[Clarence Yard]

Well, all I can say is (as at last Friday & speaking to the relevant engineers) it is definitely still happening and the first GWR set is still due back in November.

 

[221129]

Have you seen the progress made with the 1st short formed HST?

All I will say is that you're trying to make huge structural changes to a vehicle that is 40+ years old. There's the problem and the reason why it isn't happening.

I have actually. As we also have a set there undergoing the same work. Do you actually have a source for your info or are you just guessing?

 

[randyrippley]

Why wasn't the obvious done and part of the GW HST fleet swapped for the SW class 158/159 fleet?
Even with the problems of long/short swing link bogies it must have been possible to do this and increase capacity on both sets of routes
Waterloo-Exeter by HST would be an improvement over the DMUs, while GW would get the DMUs it requires without any need for mods. And all the coaches rendered surplus by the current plan stay in use, increasing available seats

 

[43096]

Many of their previous posts suggest they are a GWR driver, i'm intrigued.



Of course, many people say many things on here and they aren't always true, but we shall see if they reply.

Because drivers always know what is going on within fleet management.......?

 

[Darandio]

Because drivers always know what is going on within fleet management.......?

I'm not saying that at all. But when someone posts something so confidently and apparently works for the company, you have to question whether the information is internal.

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

Simple enough explanation - it's total b******s.

If the GW 2+4 programme is binned then the XC will be as well, it's the same conversion. From what I've heard (from reliable internal sources) the delay to the first GW conversion is due to problems with the first XC set which is ahead of it in the queue. November might be slightly ambitious but it's definitely coming. Enough power cars are converted and only a few trailers are required after all!