GWR operating short 'HSTGTi' sets (see diagrams section for workings)

PHILIPE · 27 Mar 2019

PHILIPE said:
Some problems this morning. 2U06 0737 Weston-super-Mare to Cardiff Cen being worked by 800001 vice Castle and attributed as due to traincrew and unable call at Parson St. (Some root cause somewhere) and 2C43 0624 Bristol Parkway to Penzance being worked as far as Plymouth by 158766

GWR Twitter says having to source a driver but the substitute was not trained on the equipment to stop at short platforms such as Parson St

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father_jack · 27 Mar 2019

PHILIPE said:
Some problems this morning. 2U06 0737 Weston-super-Mare to Cardiff Cen being worked by 800001 vice Castle and attributed as due to traincrew and unable call at Parson St. (Some root cause somewhere) and 2C43 0624 Bristol Parkway to Penzance being worked as far as Plymouth by 158766

Looks like the whole diagram stays as 800 010 all day. "Due to shortage of drivers with required traction knowledge, following amendments; 2Y04 0648 Bristol TM to Weston SM; not to call Bedminster and Parson Street. 2U06 0737 Weston SM to Cardiff Ctl; not to call Parson Street and Bedminster. 2C81 1500 Cardiff Ctl to Taunton; not to call Bedminster and Parson Street. 2U26 1706 Taunton to Cardiff Ctl; not to call Parson Street and Bedminster, Lawrence Hill or Stapleton Road. 2C91 2000 Cardiff Ctl to Taunton; not to call Bedminster and Parson Street."

GW01 took over 2C43 at Plymouth.

74A · 27 Mar 2019

PHILIPE said:
GWR Twitter says having to source a driver but the substitute was not trained on the equipment to stop at short platforms such as Parson St

The driver they had did not sign the Castle class so they used an 800 instead. 800 have not been cleared to stop at Parsons Street and Bedminster yet.

Thunderer · 27 Mar 2019

What services out of Cardiff to Taunton/South West are now booked a HST GTi please? Many thanks

PHILIPE · 27 Mar 2019

Thunderer said:
What services out of Cardiff to Taunton/South West are now booked a HST GTi please? Many thanks

They have been posted in this thread:-

www.railforums.co.uk/threads/remaining-gwr-hst-diagrams.164465/page-29

Parallel · 27 Mar 2019

74A said:
The driver they had did not sign the Castle class so they used an 800 instead. 800 have not been cleared to stop at Parsons Street and Bedminster yet.

I'm assuming they haven't been cleared for Lawrence Hill and Stapleton Road either. I know the 80x they have SDO but these two stations seem to have quite long platforms.

nat67 · 27 Mar 2019

It's stupid they are using IET's on these services. But at least it's a service formed of 5!

PHILIPE · 27 Mar 2019

nat67 said:
It's stupid they are using IET's on these services. But at least it's a service formed of 5!

If you look up thread, there was a reason for it.

nat67 · 27 Mar 2019

PHILIPE said:
If you look up thread, there was a reason for it.

I know for the driver shortage but do they not have enough turbo's to cover?

Wilts Wanderer · 27 Mar 2019

nat67 said:
I know for the driver shortage but do they not have enough turbo's to cover?

If you knew the Bristol area at all, you’d appreciate there are never enough Turbos / Sprinters to go around. The current culprit is the 3x units held back in the Thames Valley covering Bedwyn diagrams because of the DOO self-dispatch camera issues with IET stock.

COLOURBOX · 27 Mar 2019

I don't think this has been posted in this thread before so here it is now.

Parallel · 27 Mar 2019

Wilts Wanderer said:
If you knew the Bristol area at all, you’d appreciate there are never enough Turbos / Sprinters to go around. The current culprit is the 3x units held back in the Thames Valley covering Bedwyn diagrams because of the DOO self-dispatch camera issues with IET stock.

Indeed. I'm also a bit concerned about capacity around the Bristol area. Some peak time 2x150 services have been replaced with a 166 and are full and standing every day as before, also some peak time services are formed of 1 x 165 (2 car) and are overwhelmed. I know they are very much still in the process of cascading stock but so far, it doesn't seem to have been the improvement the commuters in the Bristol/Bath areas have been hoping for.

COLOURBOX said:
I don't think this has been posted in this thread before so here it is now.

Great, thanks for sharing! I'm guessing this is the aim from 2020 seeing as Pacers still operate on the Devon Metro, Sprinters in the Bristol area, and the Cornish main line and the odd HST set still works out of Paddington. Also no 158s to Barnstaple yet.

Siemens Staines · 28 Mar 2019

COLOURBOX said:
I don't think this has been posted in this thread before so here it is now.

Thanks for this but I wonder how recent it is? Class 769 appear to have gone missing!

Thunderer · 30 Mar 2019

PHILIPE said:
They have been posted in this thread:-

www.railforums.co.uk/threads/remaining-gwr-hst-diagrams.164465/page-29

Many thanks

Pete_uk · 30 Mar 2019

74A said:
The driver they had did not sign the Castle class so they used an 800 instead. 800 have not been cleared to stop at Parsons Street and Bedminster yet.

So, how would this work with a 800? If it was a 802 I would think it would be easy but the DfT 800s?

317 forever · 30 Mar 2019

That diagram above is excellent, thanks for copying it here Colourbox.

Mag_seven · 30 Mar 2019

Pete_uk said:
So, how would this work with a 800? If it was a 802 I would think it would be easy but the DfT 800s?

In the context of a class 800 not being allowed to stop at Parsons St, I don't really understand your question.

Pete_uk · 1 Apr 2019

Mag_seven said:
In the context of a class 800 not being allowed to stop at Parsons St, I don't really understand your question.

Sorry, in terms of payment. Can gWr just use one of the Agility 800s for whatever they need? I thought they were very strict on what their units could do and where they needed to be.

JonathanH · 1 Apr 2019

Pete_uk said:
Sorry, in terms of payment. Can gWr just use one of the Agility 800s for whatever they need? I thought they were very strict on what their units could do and where they needed to be.

The agreement is here
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...great-western-iep-network-train-agreement.pdf

Hasn't it been suggested that they need to return to Hitachi depots or one of a handful of agreed stabling points at night but it is up to GWR how to use them once they are handed over within the parameters of the agreement. Easy enough to send a 802 out on a 800 diagram and use the 800 for something else.

nat67 · 1 Apr 2019

It looks as though two more power cars up to Doncaster Wabtec.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91901/2019/04/01/advanced

nat67 · 2 Apr 2019

Some gen on 3 slam door GTI sets.
43042+43188
43056+43086
43172+43155

PHILIPE · 5 Apr 2019

2C43 0624 Bristol Parkway to Penzance this morning being worked by 9 Car IET, 802105 vice GT1

43025 Exeter · 6 Apr 2019

42093 renumbered 48111 3/18, swapped for 48101 3/19
42168 renumbered 48101 3/18, swapped for 48103 3/19
42177 renumbered 48102 3/18, swapped for 48113 3/19

42102 was renumbered 48131 in 10/18, it was intended to use 48104. The number 48115 may be used so an Angel Trains vehicle can get the number 48131, and 42365 was renumbered 48104. The number 48102 may be used with 42218.

VT 390 · 14 Apr 2019

Can someone confirm whether or not the GWR service that arrives at Exeter St Davids at 09:16 (after arriving from Penzance) then forms the 09:26 from Exeter St Davids to Penzance and is a HST GTi set?
I think it is but am not 100% sure, thanks.

northernbelle · 14 Apr 2019

VT 390 said:
Can someone confirm whether or not the GWR service that arrives at Exeter St Davids at 09:16 (after arriving from Penzance) then forms the 09:26 from Exeter St Davids to Penzance and is a HST GTi set?
I think it is but am not 100% sure, thanks.

It does and is booked a 2+4 HST set having previously been a 2 car Class 150.

PHILIPE · 14 Apr 2019

The diagrams can be found in the Frequently Requested Diagrams thread (Click on GWR) which could be useful to you should you have any more queries and should you like to browse them at any time

B7rleThrasher · 16 Apr 2019

43002 is out on the short sets today - paired with 042 on the 0812 BPW-TAU.

irish_rail · 16 Apr 2019

Anyone else noticed the ridiculously high volume on the numerous long winded announcements? Or is it just this one set I am on??

PHILIPE · 17 Apr 2019

I can't see that the weekend diagrams have been posted yet so here goes:-

Saturdays:-

2Y02 0647 BRI to WSM
2U06 0737 WSM to CDF
2C71 1000 CDF to TAU
2U16 1207 TAU to CDF
2C81 1500 CDF to TAU
2U16 1706 TAU to CDF
2C91 2000 CDF to BRI

2C42 0524 BRI to PNZ
2P86 1036 PNZ to PLY
2C46 1245 PLY to PNZ
2P92 1452 PNZ to PLY
2C50 1752 PLY to PNZ

5C40 04+30 LA to PAR
2C40 0610 PAR to PNZ
2P83 0739 PNZ to PLY
2C44 0950 PLY to PNZ
2P90 1256 PNZ to PLY
2A99 1532 PLY to NTA
2P81 1623 NTA to PLY
2E47 1740 PLY to EXD
5M47 19+02 EXD to SPM

Sundays:-

1C04 0726 BRI to PNZ
2E68 1337 PNZ to EXD
5C51 18+24 EXD to PLY
2C51 1942 PLY to PNZ

2E66 1205 PNZ to EXD
2C49 1605 EXD to PNZ
2P96 2013 PNZ to PLY

2C43 0859 PLY to PNZ
2C56 1437 PNZ to BRI

83G/84D · 19 Apr 2019

From next month a 2+4 sliding door HST is booked to work to and from Newquay on Saturdays:-

2N04 0934 Exeter - Newquay
2A99 1322 Newquay- Newton Abbot

I will try and post the rest of the workings over the next few days in the appropriate thread.

GWR operating short 'HSTGTi' sets (see diagrams section for workings)

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