GWR to operate short 'HSTGTi' sets

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  1. S-Bahn

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    Which is a shame as short set HST's would be a good interim solution to TFW's stock shortages.
     
  2. Brissle Girl

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    The person who posted is very reliable, although obviously I can’t comment on the TfW person who gave him that information. It still seems curious as to why Swansea drivers are needed to operate the sets - I’m guessing the sets all start and end their day in Bristol so surely Bristol or Cardiff crew would be enough?
     
  3. HamworthyGoods

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    Yes but by the time you train staff to drive them, operate them and maintain them which they’ve never done before it’s not exactly ‘interim’
     
  4. PHILIPE

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    There are no GWR drivers based at Cardiff to start with. Swansea drivers will only work between Cardiff and Bristol and they could go on and then work to London. Now most of them are HSTs Swansea can get involved as they couldn't when they were units so can now be more productive.
     
  5. Clarence Yard

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    Not just an interim solution and just for TFW either. There was rumoured interest from at least one other, apart than GWR, in the modified GTi sets but the delayed programme and the DfT’s apparent baulking at the proposed cost has ended that one.

    If Wabtec had got it’s production line really going on time, they could have had a nice number going for them. Now there is going to be plenty of decent quality DMU rolling stock (some of which is relatively modern) coming up in the next two and a bit years, all of which will be far cheaper to finance and run than a modified GTi.
     
  6. Railperf

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    Can someone please check the following diagram posted in the frequently requested diagrams thread:

    2P49 1555 Newton Abbot to Plymouth, seems to continue directly to Penzance rather than terminating at Plymouth and then forming the 2C51 1755 Plymouth to Penzance
     
  7. PHILIPE

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    This is correct. Perhaps it has been swapped and used to work 1645 for operating or Maintenance purposes
     
  8. 43185

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    Popped out this morning, near Nailsea, to photograph the 06.00 EXD - BPW short hst that comes out of Laira on a weekday morning & was pleasantly surprised to find it was 43172 Harry Patch on the Bristol end with 43022 on the Exeter end ?
    There has been some sort of problem on the line between Bristol, WSM & Taunton so timings are about 5 or 10 mins down but for anyone interested it should be running 2C79 14.00 CDF - TAU (BRI 14.53)
    2U24 16.07 TAU - CDF (BRI 17.21)
    2C89 19.00 CDF - TAU (BRI 19.55)
    & 5C89 21.04 TAU - CDF ECS to SPM
    Also i've been looking at getting photos of the green power cars & am assuming that some maybe are being used on the training runs in the Swansea area ?
     
  9. nat67

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    Yes recently it had been 43189+43041.
     
  10. leb37

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    If it is of interest to anyone, 4-Car HST with 43172 leading currently in Platform 3 at Taunton waiting to run 1A37 to Paddington. Presumably this is as a result of the disruption around Paddington this evening.
     
  11. gaillark

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    Probably will have a 'tip out' at Temple Meads sadly for an IET.
     
  12. northernbelle

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    Will work as far as Temple Meads where 802109 is due to take over.
     
  13. PHILIPE

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    It would appear that 5C89 21+04 Taunton to St PhilipsMarch off 2C89 1900 from Cardiff was commandeered. The incoming from Paddington was, as you say, cancelled
     
  14. yorkie

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    This thread is to discuss the actual trains themselves.

    Details of allocations, diagrams and workings belong in a different section of the forum.

    Therefore, would someone like to create a new thread to discuss allocations, diagrams and workings of these trains?
     
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    There is move from St Phillip's Marsh-Doncaster today could it be 43158 going up? It shows it to be a HST.
     
  16. 59CosG95

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    That'll be one of the Hull Trains sets returning from maintenance.
     
  17. Railperf

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    How many of the 'castle' sets have been completed and are in regular service? I'm guessing around 4 or 5 of the 11 based on seeing some 'classic' short sets on both Penzance and Taunton services.
     
  18. DannyMich2018

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    Only four have been done so far, just like the Scotrail conversions this is a painfully slow project, 1st was released March last year, 2nd in December and only two so far this year so 7 more to go......Hence Classic ones are seeing some use one many services such as Taunton to Cardiff untill all are done which might be quite a while....
     
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    2+4 HST boards are up at Gloucester so I guess they will be running from... Worcester down south?
     
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    Are all Cardiff-Tauntons HSTs now?
     
  22. PHILIPE

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    Saw a photo on Flickr of 43122 & 43153 at Wabtec with some coaches. Looks like GW05 is not far off from being released.
     
  24. TJDevon

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    Could someone please confirm the seating capacity of the Castle/Classic sets. Possibly all high density coaches?
     
  25. Spirit555

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    Next set on the way, although only 3 coaches again

    43122, 49105, 48114, 48115, 43153
     
  26. Spirit555

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    This might sound a daft question, but does anyone have a list of the renumbering's for 481xx and 491xx.

    Some have apparently been renumbered twice. Trying to keep up to date with them.

    Any help much appreciated

    MTIA

    Mark
     
  27. SWTrainspottin

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    The newest set, GW05, is working 3Z52 1434 Plymouth - Penzance today (powercars 43016 - 43122). Presumably crew training.
     
  28. Melancholia

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    Is it still 3 coaches vice 4?
     
  29. SWTrainspottin

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    Nope, got all 4 coaches.
     
  30. Mitchell Hurd

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    I think the seating layout is the same in coaches A, B, C and D when they were 8-coach sets.

    Assuming yes, that's like 28 table seats. The disabled spaces and priority seating are a heck of an improvement over the 150's and Turbos. Plus there would therefore be a single seat at the guards van end of the passenger area in Coach A - handy if you want a seat to yourself!
     

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