GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[railfan26]

Didn’t get the last 2 digets but it was still in FGW blue lively

Thank you

 

[heart-of-wessex]

Is 165125 in the area? Only I had it (I think) from Reading to Theale last Saturday, but according to my book 125 is based at SPM?

I say I think it was 125, I just had time to check the front, and the digits had seen better days as it was all falling apart so I made it out to be 125, could be 126 or 8 though..

 

[JN114]

Is 165125 in the area? Only I had it (I think) from Reading to Theale last Saturday, but according to my book 125 is based at SPM?

I say I think it was 125, I just had time to check the front, and the digits had seen better days as it was all falling apart so I made it out to be 125, could be 126 or 8 though..

125 is currently on Greenfords - so would appear to be RG based for the time being.

 

[FGW_DID]

165125,126 & 128 are all at Reading.

165119, 129, 131 & 132 are the only SPM based 2 cars at the moment.

165118 is at SPM (not in service) after returning from Long Marston but is coming back to Reading.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

According to the latest Modern Railways magazine I bought, Class 158's are staying on the GWR Brighton services basically. 2+2 seats + "InterCity" trains to and from from Great Malvern, Bristol and Brighton to stay then!!!!!

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

The loading gauge I guess to and from Fratton and Brighton isn't suitable for a Turbo. Is 'loading gauge' referred to as the train weight?

 

[Parallel]

According to the latest Modern Railways magazine I bought, Class 158's are staying on the GWR Brighton services basically. 2+2 seats + "InterCity" trains to and from from Great Malvern, Bristol and Brighton to stay then!!!!!

Not bad, and unless diagrams are tweaked, this also means 158 on 07:38 Westbury to Malvern, and 14:50 all stations Malvern to Weymouth (& evening return back to Bristol)

 

[swt_passenger]

The loading gauge I guess to and from Fratton and Brighton isn't suitable for a Turbo. Is 'loading gauge' referred to as the train weight?

The loading gauge is basically the cross-section across the height and width of a train. The maximum size the train can be and still clear all the bridges, tunnels, platforms etc.

Routes to Brighton were originally planned to be Turbo cleared, but DfT have since decided to consult on withdrawal of the limited number of GWR Brightons that are in the present timetable. So it probably makes sense not to do any gauge clearance yet, in case it proves to be wasted.

 

[Clarence Yard]

According to the latest Modern Railways magazine I bought, Class 158's are staying on the GWR Brighton services basically. 2+2 seats + "InterCity" trains to and from from Great Malvern, Bristol and Brighton to stay then!!!!!

They’ve got it wrong. Brighton is being route cleared for Turbos. It’s in the next phase after Portsmouth is cleared.

 

[387star]

They’ve got it wrong. Brighton is being route cleared for Turbos. It’s in the next phase after Portsmouth is cleared.

yeah wouldn't make sense for a train which only runs two times a day to need a completely different traction and furthermore 158s are due west so sourcing them on the Great Malverns wouldn't be ideal

 

[387star]

The loading gauge is basically the cross-section across the height and width of a train. The maximum size the train can be and still clear all the bridges, tunnels, platforms etc.

Routes to Brighton were originally planned to be Turbo cleared, but DfT have since decided to consult on withdrawal of the limited number of GWR Brightons that are in the present timetable. So it probably makes sense not to do any gauge clearance yet, in case it proves to be wasted.

service will probably go as the DFT are not keen on diesels running on the third rail

 

[PHILIPE]

service will probably go as the DFT are not keen on diesels running on the third rail

GWR DMUs have run over third rail in the South of England since 19.....

 

[jimm]

GWR DMUs have run over third rail in the South of England since 19.....

Reading-based BR Western Region dmus took over operation of the North Downs Line service in 1979.

 

[iantherev]

service will probably go as the DFT are not keen on diesels running on the third rail

Better not tell them about the 159s between Basingstoke and Waterloo and the Voyagers between Basingstoke and Bournemouth them, let alone the freight.....

 

[railfan26]

2 of the 6 beach diagrams short formed today.
Diagram PM451
2K02 0548 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth 06126 Was worked by 165132

 

[railfan26]

And 2nd set was 165131 on diagram PM460

 

[swt_passenger]

service will probably go as the DFT are not keen on diesels running on the third rail

That isn’t the main or only reason, the relevant section of the consultation is:

The current Great Western franchise operates a small number of through services from Brighton to Southampton, Salisbury, Bristol and beyond. While these services provide useful direct links to and from the south coast, they are infrequent and contribute to an irregular service pattern between Brighton, Chichester and Southampton. Transferring the Brighton-Southampton part of these services into the successor to the current Thameslink, Southern & Great Northern (TSGN) franchise could allow a more consistent and regular service pattern to be operated on this route. Electric trains could replace diesels between Southampton and Brighton, providing more seats than the Great Western franchise provides today and releasing diesel trains to provide more space for passengers on other core routes within the Great Western franchise. If GWR services to/from Brighton were to be withdrawn, we would require the TSGN franchise to maintain sufficient capacity between Brighton, Portsmouth and Southampton. Different arguments might apply on weekdays, when these services provide a commuter service to/from Brighton, and where services beyond Southampton may be less important; and at weekends, when these services may be more important for leisure passengers travelling longer distances who wish to avoid changing trains.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...t-western-rail-franchise-consultation-web.pdf

 

[railfan26]

This diagram was worked by a 1 car today

2D03 0533 Weymouth - Bristol Parkway
2C09 0845 Bristol Parkway - Westbury
2F94 1008 Westbury - Warminster
2C12 1025 Warminster - Westbury
2O05 1111 Westbury - Southampton Central
2M98 1227 Southampton Central - Great Malvern
2F99 1648 Great Malvern - Westbury
5F99 1946 Westbury - Westbury DMU Sidings
5C92 2027 Westbury DMU Sidings - Westbury
2C92 2038 Westbury - Bristol Temple Meads
2K46 2137 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth
2K49 2220 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads

 

[Parallel]

16:40 Gloucester - Weymouth formed of 2 x 165 today. I was quite impressed with the 165 - Clean, brighter lighting (compared to 166) and the air cooling was working a treat! Only issue was the pair weren't stopping at Avoncliff, Thornford and Chetnole due to a 'train fault' which I'm assuming translates to them not being fitted with the necessary local door controls... Yet.

 

[mervyn72]

16:40 Gloucester - Weymouth formed of 2 x 165 today. I was quite impressed with the 165 - Clean, brighter lighting (compared to 166) and the air cooling was working a treat! Only issue was the pair weren't stopping at Avoncliff, Thornford and Chetnole due to a 'train fault' which I'm assuming translates to them not being fitted with the necessary local door controls... Yet.

I might be making this up but I'm sure I've seen a picture of a 3 car Class 170 calling at Berney Arms. Due to door opening issues with those units and the short platform, passengers alighted and boarded through the cab door at the front, saying hello to the driver on the way past. If this is correct, could something similar be done at the stations where turbo's are failing to call until the problem is resolved?

 

[davetheguard]

I might be making this up but I'm sure I've seen a picture of a 3 car Class 170 calling at Berney Arms. Due to door opening issues with those units and the short platform, passengers alighted and boarded through the cab door at the front, saying hello to the driver on the way past. If this is correct, could something similar be done at the stations where turbo's are failing to call until the problem is resolved?

Certainly the only time I've caught a train at Berney Arms, the Driver opened his cab door, and invited us to board that way.

 

[SWTrainspottin]

New track for 166 yesterday. 166206 worked 1F01 0544 Bristol Temple Meads - Portsmouth Harbour as far as Fareham. It returned with 1F12 0947 Fareham - Cardiff Central as far as Bristol. This is the furthest on that route that a 166 has reached in service.

 

[pompeyfan]

I assume it was chucked in the bay and cancelled for the rest of the journey. Feel sorry for the passengers inconvenienced between the harbour and Fareham as it could add up to an hour to peoples journey.

 

[Parallel]

Looks to be a shortage of Turbos at the moment. 16:40 Gloucester to Weymouth has been a 150 both yesterday and today. 150202 yesterday and 150238 today. Very busy.

 

[Richard Bishop]

This diagram was worked by a 1 car today

2D03 0533 Weymouth - Bristol Parkway
2C09 0845 Bristol Parkway - Westbury
2F94 1008 Westbury - Warminster
2C12 1025 Warminster - Westbury
2O05 1111 Westbury - Southampton Central
2M98 1227 Southampton Central - Great Malvern
2F99 1648 Great Malvern - Westbury
5F99 1946 Westbury - Westbury DMU Sidings
5C92 2027 Westbury DMU Sidings - Westbury
2C92 2038 Westbury - Bristol Temple Meads
2K46 2137 Bristol Temple Meads - Avonmouth
2K49 2220 Avonmouth - Bristol Temple Meads

158953 worked 2F99 that date so obviously swapped somewhere.

 

[Richard Bishop]

Looks to be a shortage of Turbos at the moment. 16:40 Gloucester to Weymouth has been a 150 both yesterday and today. 150202 yesterday and 150238 today. Very busy.

150202 started diagram on 2Z16 0641 Westbury Gloucester. 2E16 was 25 late ex Salisbury and was cancelled at Westbury.Set then followed normal diagram of 2O86 0841 Gloucester Weymouth then 2E24 1310 Weymouth Gloucester and then 2O97 1640 Gloucester Weymouth.

 

[railfan26]

158953 worked 2F99 that date so obviously swapped somewhere.

Thank you must have swapped on return from Westbury Sidings then.

 

[spark001uk]

2U14 is formed of 150126 this morning.

 

[ATW158Xpress]

2U14 is formed of 150126 this morning.

This diagram is usually a 150 but Turbo has started to turn up occasionally as unit starts in Exeter as 2D02.

 

[WelshBluebird]

Is 2O70 (08.41 Temple Meads to Weymouth) actually booked for anything? Seems to be whatever GWR can find lying around atm - 166, 150 or 158! (though I guess better than the 3x153 it was for a little bit!).