GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[jimm]

So long as sufficient 166s are available next week, there will be the Gloucester-Taunton working in the mornings noted above, plus a retum evening working, and a Gloucester-Bristol TM-Swindon one to get a Turbo on to the Swindon-Cheltenham dmu shuttles each morning - http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C56343/2018/01/02/advanced

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

The problem with the Westbury line is that Avoncliff and Dillon Marsh cannot be served until Turbos have some form of local door control which is February at the earliest. Pretty much every non-Portsmouth service to/from Westbury calls at Avoncliff and most of the Westbury stoppers run to/from the Gloucester line, so very little on either route until February. Similarly Melksham is overlength any Turbo units so cannot be served until Feb.

 

[SWTrainspottin]

So long as sufficient 166s are available next week, there will be the Gloucester-Taunton working in the mornings noted above, plus a retum evening working, and a Gloucester-Bristol TM-Swindon one to get a Turbo on to the Swindon-Cheltenham dmu shuttles each morning - http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C56343/2018/01/02/advanced

So that working you linked below should be a Turbo if available?

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

I'm sure GWR wouldn't have enough Turbos to double up which would mean replacing 4 cars with 6 and wasting 2. There are also platform lengths to consider which is why the Cardiff to Portsmouths will convey 5 Cars (166+165). I could be wrong but I think it is a reasonable assumption. Passengers may be sold down the river again, but time will tell.

I think you'll find there will be some doubled-up sets appearing on local services by May. Certain workings split at Westbury and continue separately and these can't be resourced by the same single Turbo. Obviously the GWR planners are aware that a 3-car 166 has nearly the same capacity as a 4-car 150 but there are physically more vehicles in the West fleet by then, so they will be deployed where growth in demand is anticipated. With ASDO it becomes a whole different ball game. You'll have 6-car trains to Weymouth in the summer as well, rather a lot more capacity compared to the 3/4 car 150s provided at best before now.

 

[PHILIPE]

Cover for a 166 on first SX day of operation on Cardiff to Taunton

43185 (1st class end) + LA60 + 43176

2Y04 06:48 Bristol TM to Weston SM
9U06 07:37 Weston SM to Cardiff
9C71 10:00 Cardiff to Taunton
9U16 12:04 Taunton to Cardiff
9C81 15:00 Cardiff to Taunton
9U26 17:06 Taunton to Cardiff
9C91 20:00 Cardiff to Taunton
5C91 22:15 Taunton to St Phillips Marsh43185 (1st class end) + LA60 + 43176

EDIT:- Since learnt due Traincrew availability so obviously HSS vice West crew

 

[jimm]

So that working you linked below should be a Turbo if available?

That is the plan, yes. But hedged around with the usual current provisos of stock and trained crew availability.

 

[ATW158Xpress]

Except 2K00 0514 Bristol TM to Severn Beach and 2K47 2137 Bristol TM to Avonmouth for the time being

Will 2K00 which returns as 2K01 be a Turbo and by looking at RTT it turns into the 2Y04 to Weston-Super-Mare??

 

[PHILIPE]

We are having a little difficulty here as there seem to be two members posting the diagram info on two threads, the other one being here:-

www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gwr-turbo-cascades-to-bristol-region-services.146681

This is regarding transfer and movements West and the one here is the Diagram thread , and info can be contradictory..

 

[PHILIPE]

Will 2K00 which returns as 2K01 be a Turbo and by looking at RTT it turns into the 2Y04 to Weston-Super-Mare??

Think it should be a Turbo now prior to 2Y04

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Will 2K00 which returns as 2K01 be a Turbo and by looking at RTT it turns into the 2Y04 to Weston-Super-Mare??

Should be as 2Y04 is a Turbo. Will add to the thread.

 

[ATW158Xpress]

There’s been a STP move to Reading today by the looks from RTT. Wonder if they sending the odd Turbo back to stand in for crew shortages caused by lack of training on 387s?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O57302/2018/01/02/advanced

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

166212 worked a peak service from Bristol-Swindon this morning then spent the rest of the day on the Swindon-Cheltenham shuttles, including 1754 Swindon-Cheltenham which will be a considerable relief to long suffering commuters on the Stroud Valley. Not sure it was diagrammed though.

 

[PHILIPE]

166212 worked a peak service from Bristol-Swindon this morning then spent the rest of the day on the Swindon-Cheltenham shuttles, including 1754 Swindon-Cheltenham which will be a considerable relief to long suffering commuters on the Stroud Valley. Not sure it was diagrammed though.

See Post #1. As diagrammed

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Have been informed there are Turbo diagrams operating on the Golden Valley Line during weekends:

Saturday:

2B88 0530 Cheltenham Spa - Swindon
2G81 0716 Swindon - Cheltenham Spa
2B90 1001 Cheltenham Spa - Swindon
2G83 1214 Swindon - Cheltenham Spa
2B94 1401 Cheltenham Spa - Swindon
2G87 1614 Swindon - Cheltenham Spa
2B97 1801 Cheltenham Spa - Swindon
2G91 2000 Swindon - Cheltenham Spa
2B98 2120 Cheltenham Spa - Swindon
2G63 2241 Swindon - Gloucester

Sunday

2B90 0924 Cheltenham Spa - Swindon
2G81 1044 Swindon - Cheltenham Spa
2B93 1232 Cheltenham Spa - Swindon
2G85 1425 Swindon - Cheltenham Spa
2B96 1632 Cheltenham Spa - Swindon
2G89 1843 Swindon - Gloucester

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Three Cardiff provisional diagrams out tomorrow too:

9U04 0723 Bristol Temple Meads - Cardiff Central
9C69 0900 Cardiff Central - Taunton
9U14 1104 Taunton - Cardiff Central
9C79 1400 Cardiff Central - Taunton
9U24 1607 Taunton - Cardiff Central
9C89 1900 Cardiff Central - Taunton
2M72 2135 Taunton - Bristol Temple Meads

2Y02 0649 Bristol Temple Meads - Weston-super-Mare
9U06 0737 Weston-super-Mare - Cardiff Central
9C71 1000 Cardiff Central - Taunton
9U16 1207 Taunton - Cardiff Central
9C81 1500 Cardiff Central - Taunton
9U26 1706 Taunton - Cardiff Central
9C91 1954 Cardiff Central - Bristol Temple Meads

2C63 0621 Gloucester - Taunton
9U10 0912 Taunton - Cardiff Central
9C75 1200 Cardiff Central - Taunton
9U20 1407 Taunton - Cardiff Central
9C85 1700 Cardiff Central - Taunton
2M70 1907 Taunton - Bristol Temple Meads

 

[geoffk]

Will Turbos work any further west than Taunton? Services round Exeter are busy but Turbos may be out of gauge on former LSWR lines like Exmouth and Barnstaple (although the Broad Gauge did go as far as Crediton!). Presumably they are cleared for ex-Midland lines to Gloucester, Cheltenham and Worcester.

 

[50031]

Will Turbos work any further west than Taunton? Services round Exeter are busy but Turbos may be out of gauge on former LSWR lines like Exmouth and Barnstaple (although the Broad Gauge did go as far as Crediton!). Presumably they are cleared for ex-Midland lines to Gloucester, Cheltenham and Worcester.

Running to Gloucester now. No plans for West of Taunton for the time being at least. Original plans included clearance for lines around Exeter and on to Plymouth but that was before Oxford electrification was mothballed with now less Turbos heading West

 

[Envoy]

I thought the mini HST’s were going to operate the Cardiff to Taunton /south-west services with the Turbos doing the other routes through Bristol such as Malvern> Weymouth & Portsmouth> Cardiff?

 

[jimm]

Running to Gloucester now. No plans for West of Taunton for the time being at least. Original plans included clearance for lines around Exeter and on to Plymouth but that was before Oxford electrification was mothballed with now less Turbos heading West

If the Network Rail Enhancement Delivery programme is anything to go by, there have been no changes to the gauging clearance programme linked to the arrival of the Turbos - it should all be completed as far as Plymouth by the end of next year. Plymouth to Penzance and the Gunnislake branch, plus St Erth to St Ives, are potential CP6 projects according to the plan

 

[50031]

If the Network Rail Enhancement Delivery programme is anything to go by, there have been no changes to the gauging clearance programme linked to the arrival of the Turbos - it should all be completed as far as Plymouth by the end of next year. Plymouth to Penzance and the Gunnislake branch, plus St Erth to St Ives, are potential CP6 projects according to the plan

Yes, I read that myself. Whatever happens with eventual Turbo West fleet numbers, IMHO it makes sense to clear as many routes as possible

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Look like 166208 will be working to Worcester Shrub Hill tonight from Bristol TM. Possibly the first Turbo of the fleet to call at Ashchurch for Tewkesbury too. Unsure if this is a booked diagram as of yet.

2E29 2041 Bristol Temple Meads - Worcester Shrub Hill
2G99 2225 Worcester Shrub Hill - Gloucester

 

[Parallel]

Look like 166208 will be working to Worcester Shrub Hill tonight from Bristol TM. Possibly the first Turbo of the fleet to call at Ashchurch for Tewkesbury too. Unsure if this is a booked diagram as of yet.

2E29 2041 Bristol Temple Meads - Worcester Shrub Hill
2G99 2225 Worcester Shrub Hill - Gloucester

I still find it strange that out of all places on the GWR network, Worcester saw the biggest variety of GWR stock on a frequent basis. In fact, more or less everything apart from the 143s (but those even made it there in the past!)

 

[SWTrainspottin]

I still find it strange that out of all places on the GWR network, Worcester saw the biggest variety of GWR stock on a frequent basis. In fact, more or less everything apart from the 143s (but those even made it there in the past!)

Very true, seems they just send what they can there. It's because there's a direct route from London and Oxford and a direct route from Bristol and Gloucester.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Oh yes! HST, 150, 153, 158, 165, 166, 180! That's actually quite interesting to think, although of course the days of Cotswold Adelantes are well and truly over...

 

[50031]

I thought the mini HST’s were going to operate the Cardiff to Taunton /south-west services with the Turbos doing the other routes through Bristol such as Malvern> Weymouth & Portsmouth> Cardiff?

It has been reported that 11 short HST sets will be produced, operating Exeter/Plymouth-Penzance and Cardiff-Taunton. I don't suppose we know the timetable and diagrams at this stage and whether all of the above services would be HSTs. It may be a mixture of Turbos and HSTs on Taunton-Cardiff and HSTs and 158s at the Penzance end. Will have to wait and see... still waiting for the 1st HST set to emerge from works

 

[ATW158Xpress]

166202 is operating Cardiff diagrams today.

9F08: 08:48 Bristol TM - Cardiff Central
9O93:10:08 Cardiff Central - Bristol TM
9Z12: 11:47 Bristol TM - Cardiff Central
9Z19: 13:08 Cardiff Central - Bristol TM
9V00: 14:48 Bristol TM - Cardiff Central
9F98: 16:35 Cardiff Central - Weston-Super-Mare
2M67: 18:16 Weston-Super-Mare - Bristol TM

 

[SWTrainspottin]

It has been reported that 11 short HST sets will be produced, operating Exeter/Plymouth-Penzance and Cardiff-Taunton. I don't suppose we know the timetable and diagrams at this stage and whether all of the above services would be HSTs. It may be a mixture of Turbos and HSTs on Taunton-Cardiff and HSTs and 158s at the Penzance end. Will have to wait and see... still waiting for the 1st HST set to emerge from works

I believe the plans for the 158's in the future are unconfirmed as they keep changing. More Turbos will be doing Weymouth runs, Gloucester runs and Portsmouth runs too, so I imagine short formed HSTs will cover majority of diagrams on the Cardiff - Taunton service.

 

[SWTrainspottin]

166202 is operating Cardiff diagrams today.

9F08: 08:48 Bristol TM - Cardiff Central
9O93:10:08 Cardiff Central - Bristol TM
9Z12: 11:47 Bristol TM - Cardiff Central
9Z19: 13:08 Cardiff Central - Bristol TM
9V00: 14:48 Bristol TM - Cardiff Central
9F98: 16:35 Cardiff Central - Weston-Super-Mare
2M67: 18:16 Weston-Super-Mare - Bristol TM

Thank you, I will add this to the thread as a provisional diagram for now.

 

[PHILIPE]

Thank you, I will add this to the thread as a provisional diagram for now.

I wouldn't bother. They are just running in lieu of the Cardiff Portsmouths due to Engineering work between Bristol TM and Bath.

 

[SWTrainspottin]

I wouldn't bother. They are just running in lieu of the Cardiff Portsmouths due to Engineering work between Bristol TM and Bath.

Yeah I've just discovered this. The same diagram operates next Sunday too, so could well be operated by a Turbo again. Will take it off next week after Sunday.