HAA Wagons

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Has anybody preserved any of the once-vast fleet of HAA MGR wagons? They were once common across much of the network, carrying coal from mines or docks to power stations, but with the reduction in coal burning they have fallen into disuse. Do any / many survive, or have they all been cut up and recycled?
 
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The Cornish CDA fleet are pretty much pure HAA wagons - albeit with modifications. If anyone wanted to purchase a rake ? (at some future time)
 

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When were they last used on the 'normal' railway network?
The last rakes were retained until about 2008 or so when Stirling - Alloa - Kincardine reopened to allow coal traffic for Hunterston to be diverted away from the Forth Bridge which was route barred to the larger replacement wagons and I think until maybe 2010 or so once Hope Cement Works could start accepting HTA wagons with it's coal deliveries? I distinctly remember the former being a big thing in the railway press but the latter I'm less sure of.
 

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The last rakes were retained until about 2008 or so when Stirling - Alloa - Kincardine reopened to allow coal traffic for Hunterston to be diverted away from the Forth Bridge which was route barred to the larger replacement wagons and I think until maybe 2010 or so once Hope Cement Works could start accepting HTA wagons with it's coal deliveries? I distinctly remember the former being a big thing in the railway press but the latter I'm less sure of.
That's correct regarding the Hope Cement works traffic: According to 'Merry-Go-Round On The Rails' by David Monk-Steel, two sets of HAAs were retained until summer 2010 to work up to three trains per week to Hope from the Ayrshire opencast sites, and were the last regular working for the wagons.

The most recent photos I have of HAA wagons within Hope works were taken during summer 2009, seen in the background in the photo below.
How many were built?
Again according to 'Merry-Go-Round On The Rails', there were a total of 11,162 wagons, including variations on the basic design, built. By 2009, as the final flows to use these wagons were switching to HTA bogie hopper operation, there were 1,185 still in stock of the following types:

HAA: 765 (Standard design - 10702 built as noted above)
HBA: 3 (HDA hoppers fitted with canopies)
HCA: 9 (HAA hoppers fitted with canopies)
HDA: 49 (Improved braking capability, permitted to run at 60mph - 460 built)
HFA: 36 (HAA hoppers fitted with modified canopies)
HMA: 318 (Hoppers fitted with modified brakes)
HNA: 5 (Hoppers fitted with modified brakes and canopies)
 

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Phil Scott

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Last time I went past yes, with massive gardens growing in what’s left of the loads.
It was planned to move these two, plus another from Scotland to the Chasewater Railway. Presumably this has fallen through, or the wagons can’t be removed easily from these locations.
 

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It was planned to move these two, plus another from Scotland to the Chasewater Railway. Presumably this has fallen through, or the wagons can’t be removed easily from these locations.
I don’t think there is easy road access to AD, so would probably need moving to the dock after the contaminated loads where removed. Seeing as ABP where the ones who wanted them off their property, I can’t see them being cost effective to move.
 

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