Halton Transport

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  1. F262YTJ

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    There are reports on the Merseyside Dennis Dart forums ( dartslf.com/forum ) that Halton Transport will cease to trade imminently (as in tonight).

    Can anyone shed light on this disturbing news?
     
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  3. Rod Harrison

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    I would think that being a Local Authority owned company that it would be unlikely to close without notice. The politics would surely get in the way, however, it may announce a proposed closure or sale, which I think would be more likely.
     
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    I agree but I do not think the summons to a Public Inquiry for the company and its' individual directors has helped matters.

    They obviously have some very serious issues.
     
  5. Chris217

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    An Arriva driver also told me that today was Halton's last day.
    Something to do with VOSA .
    Another driver told me the receivers have been brought in?
    Still fully unclear tbh as I was speaking to a Halton driver and he knew nothing!
     
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    Public Inquiry (79647) to be held at The Public Inquiry Room (Warrington), WA3 2SH, Suite 4,
    Stone Cross Place, Stone Cross Lane North, Golborne, Warrington, on 19 February 2020
    commencing at 10:00
    PC0001376 SN
    HALTON BOROUGH TRANSPORT LTD
    Director(s): HALTON BOROUGH COUNCIL, MICHAEL WHARTON, COLIN STAFFORD,
    BRIAN JOSEPH STEVENSON, ANDREW MACMANUS, KEITH MORLEY, ADELE JONES,
    WEISLAW ZYGADLLO
    20 KENT GROVE, RUNCORN, WA7 5EG
    S17 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 17 (The Public Passenger
    Vehicles Act 1981)
    S26 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 26 (The Transport Act 1985)
    Sch.3 - Consideration of Transport Managers Repute under Schedule 3 (The Public
    Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)


    Section 26 - Breech of conditions attached to licence

    It includes:
    - not registering services/variations/cancellations
    - vehicle maintenance/vehicles unfit for public service
    - operated in a way which is considered dangerous to the public
    - employee misconduct deemed dangerous to public
    - Intentional interference with another privately operated company
    - (Section 8) Failure to operate a registered service
    - Failure to provide adequate and accurate information to the Traffic Commissioner
    - Provision of information regarding enhanced partnerships with transport authorities
     
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    It’s DVSA now...
     
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    Whatever the outcome, if this ever takes place it would appear to signal curtains for Halton. The vultures will be circling!
     
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    Wow. At a Council owned operator, how have things got this bad?

    That's the kind of behaviour I would expect from a disreputable small operator, of which there are many.
     
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    Last bus is off the road at 23:43 tonight, with tomorrow's first bus out soon after 05:30. Let's see if it runs. Have to say, the website looks like something out of ancient history.
     
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    There are plenty of very reputable small operators too. However, the issues at Halton are well known given that they have recorded substantial losses over the last few years and only minimal profits before that, hence the rather antiquated fleet that they now operate.

    It really does highlight that whilst people rightly laud Reading, Lothian and Nottingham, the majority of council owned fleets are (and have been for a while - see Rosso, Islwyn, Chester) been massively under-resourced.
     
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    That is indeed true to be fair, though I find most disreputable bus companies to be small ones.

    A well-maintained old fleet should be fine - the trouble is if they don't maintain it.
     
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    There's plenty of big ones out there as well though I won't name names...
     
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    The problem being that older fleets demand more maintenance and so the risk of maintenance issues being a problem increases.
     
  15. Robertj21a

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    I believe that Halton ceases operation tonight.
     
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    Very true. In fact apart from Reading, Lothian, Nottingham, as mentioned by TGW, a lot of the remainder are not at all healthy. If you have a spare 20 minutes, just look on the Conpanies House website at the most recent published accounts for....er..... pretty much any of the others. Even Reading isn’t great financially. It’s true their shareholders may not want a dividend - but ultimately continual losses mean they can’t invest in their fleets, staff, premises, etc etc.... But being a bus operator of any sort is not easy currently- problems are not unique to the likes of First or Arriva!
     
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    It seems surprising, if true, that nothing has been announced. People will get up in the morning for their bus to work and find it simply doesn't show up.
     
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    As I said on another forum, nothing has been said officially, and so on that basis, we have to assume Halton is continuing to trade tomorrow.
     
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    I'd think that, so long as the company has not been declared insolvent and/or insurance cover hasn't been withdrawn, operations will continue for the present.
     
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    I have heard from both Arriva and Stagecoach Employee's that both operators are ready to step in should Halton close. Might be worth looking on the company house website at Halton Transports finances, I am no expect but that does not look amazing from what i see.

    Another one about an Operator closing down, Normally there is only a public announcement when the firm actually shuts giving people no warning at all.
     
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    I couldnt imagine Halton announcing to their staff that they were closing at the end of the days shift.
    Most staff would probably walk out anyway!
    Will check in the morning as the 14s go past ours.
    On a happier note.
    I got to drive 36 DE53 USG around Gilmoss depot a few weeks ago.
    It was a bag of rubbish lol.
     
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    Did this come about by people drawing conclusions from the date of the hearing, that being 19th February (not January)?
     
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    Halton bus in service in Knowsley Village 09:30 this morning
     
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    Not as far as I'm aware, it came from some very senior people in the industry who are generally very careful to be accurate. I see that there's an extraordinary council meeting called for Wednesday, which appears to be just transport related.
     
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    Halton are indeed still operating atm.
    Just seen East Lancs Super Dart 46 on the 14.
     
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    Big issue with Halton is most of their routes especially in Halton area are mostly covered by Arriva, & the Halton routes that don't have a competitor are routes that other operators don't want, then there's the school routes that Halton operate in Halton/Liverpool & St Helens
     
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    They have a lot of school contracts
    as well.
     
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    It's the end, isn't it? Surely the drivers, mechanics and other staff will be thinking of their own futures and heading for the door. Which in turn will only exacerbate the problems.
     
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    When you look at the state of the Finances on Company House is does spell the end tbh
     
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