Have CrossCountry borrowed a Voyager from Virgin?

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sn1975

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Hi,

I apologise if this is a silly question but I was at Tamworth on Wednesday and I think I saw a VT liveried Voyager on the Cross Country line?

I could be wrong or I might have missed something obvious.

Steve.
 
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Roughly what time? As MattE2010 has said, Virgin do run Voyagers from Euston to Central Rivers or Birmingham to Central Rivers.

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Many thanks - I was just curious, thinking XC have had to borrow a Voyager from VT - it was about 1525-1535 last Wednesday - I'm still learning and it hadn't occurred to me that it was an ECS move.
 

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We can no longer drive VT 221s as we don't sign the tilting mechanism. We can't even couple a XC and VT one together to run ECS
Can the tile not be isolated? How did Virgin work 220s and 221s in multiple before the division between XC and VT?
 

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How is that relevant to The drivers on XC not signing tilting 221s?
Separate to the drivers signing the stock, I was thinking that a 221 with tilt enabled would have problems working in multiple with a 220 unless it could be isolated?
 

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Yes they can be isolated as indeed they used to have to be when a 221 and 220 worked together. But you still have to know about the systems even if isolated. And we no longer have the competency
 

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Yes they can be isolated as indeed they used to have to be when a 221 and 220 worked together. But you still have to know about the systems even if isolated. And we no longer have the competency
Ah that makes sense, I suppose you never know when the isolation might fail! Many thanks!
 

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Ah that makes sense, I suppose you never know when the isolation might fail! Many thanks!
I'm getting more of a "you have to be able to isolate it in the first place and without tilt training this isn't a standard task for drivers" vibe rather than an "isolation might fail" one, but I'm ready to be corrected.
 

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I'm getting more of a "you have to be able to isolate it in the first place and without tilt training this isn't a standard task for drivers" vibe rather than an "isolation might fail" one, but I'm ready to be corrected.
Thats true. I was thinking of a situation where a driver who signs tilt bring a 221 to a location where it is coupled to a 220. They then isolate the tilt and leave. The non tilt signing driver then takes both units forward.
 

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Thats true. I was thinking of a situation where a driver who signs tilt bring a 221 to a location where it is coupled to a 220. They then isolate the tilt and leave. The non tilt signing driver then takes both units forward.
But the VT 221 wouldn't tilt without TASS on the track anyway (ie not on XC lines except COV-MAN).
 

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But then surely the tilt works on a mechanical system, and you need to sign and have some degree of knowledge if it fails? At least in what procedures to follow.

Kind of brings memories of the APT with a coach half cocked!
 
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