Have FGW renumbered 43053 to 43253?

[Royston Vasey]

Some of you may have seen carlwestwood's thread here in the Photography Sites forum including Carl's picture here of what appears to be a renumbered 43253 being hauled from Brush on 7th April. My original thought was that it may have been renumbered by NXEC at an earlier date but of course it wasn't reengineered by the time it left NXEC as 43053.

WNXX and the Railway Centre, both of which are usually pretty reliable, don't report this and I've seen nothing elsewhere. WNXX do show 43053 being relisted (along with 43056) from the IECP to the EFPC pool at the end of March but not a change of identity...

Have FGW decided to renumber their PCs as the other operators have or have Brush accidentally (or deviously!) renumbered the power car unofficially??

Anyone know what the story is here? You've not photoshopped it have you Carl??

 

[asylumxl]

Weird...

(Sorry I haven't got a clue, I'd like to know too)

 

[devon_metro]

All other powercars will retain original number

 

[Turbostar]

Still doesn't explain why 053 has been renumbered to 253...

 

[asylumxl]

Apparently as it was a former NXEC powercar, and has been MTU-ed, it has been renumbered as if it still belonged to NXEC. Weird.

 

[devon_metro]

Still doesn't explain why 053 has been renumbered to 253...

Not really sure what difference it makes? It has simply created lots of un-needed froth!

 

[Techniquest]

Exactly. As bizarre as it's going to look, I don't care what number it is, I'm more interested in getting it in the book again.

 

[Royston Vasey]

Haha as one of the more dispassionate posters on here I completely agree that it makes no difference to anything operationally! But it is curious that one of the last two to be re-engined for FGW would be so different. Would still be interested as to why.

 

[Techniquest]

Well aye, I have to admit I am curious, but no-one seems to know.

Going to look odd in my moves book, an entry such as the following already seems weird:

43128+43253, in 41104, Newport > Bristol Parkway (1139, 4D)

:lol

 

[1D53]

Still doesn't explain why 053 has been renumbered to 253...

Did the NX ones have further mods done which negated the change of class? I'm sure I read somewhere that they did.

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

Did the NX ones have further mods done which negated the change of class? I'm sure I read somewhere that they did.

You're on the right lines, kind of....
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All other powercars will retain original number

All other ones bah 1....

 

[1D53]

I'm sure it was something like cooler group changes!

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

I'm sure it was something like cooler group changes!

Nope, Not cooler group changes. Try again please folks

 

[Techniquest]

New control cubicle for one thing. Wiring was possibly changed too. New smaller turbos (2 little ones vice 6 big ones IIRC), alternator moved due to the different engine size causing a need to modify the engine room somewhat.

That's all I can remember from the article in the special HST issue of Rail Express from a few years ago, and since it's about 90 - 100 miles away from me, I can't get it out to check. I'm not going to cheat and research it either

Am I in the ballpark Scott? I know at least some of the above applied to the GNER/NXEC power cars, but whether Brush did the work to the same standard or whether they stuck to the specification from FGW for 053 and 056 is something I have no idea about.

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

They did have a new cubicle of some sort. But it was the electronics cubicle that changed. So, fgw changed the number so it was easier to define that it required a different sort of exam.

 

[devon_metro]

They did have a new cubicle of some sort. But it was the electronics cubicle that changed. So, fgw changed the number so it was easier to define that it required a different sort of exam.




Now, what is the system I'm talking about.......

They have a beefed up WSP system afaiaa

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

They have a beefed up WSP system afaiaa

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!


They were renumbered from a mechanical/engineering point of view....
Although it did work and got everyone into a Flap!

 

[Techniquest]

Now why couldn't anyone just say as much before! Would have saved a lot of pointless flapping and frothing!

Makes sense to renumber it really, but the amount of frothing all over the Internet could have been avoided by just one sensible person making a simple post...

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

Now why couldn't anyone just say as much before! Would have saved a lot of pointless flapping and frothing!

Makes sense to renumber it really, but the amount of frothing all over the Internet could have been avoided by just one sensible person making a simple post...

Yes they could've, But it fun to see the people frothing and flapping and letting it stew before someone comes in and makes a posting....

 

[thefab444]

Yes they could've, But it fun to see the people frothing and flapping and letting it stew before someone comes in and makes a posting....

It's funny seeing people froth over HSTs at all.

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

It's funny seeing people froth over HSTs at all.

What ever floats your boat, or doesn't in your case. But Many people like them and a few comments isn't going to stop it.....

 

[Techniquest]

You mean isn't going to stop it?

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

You mean isn't going to stop it?

that'll teach me to type on a iPod touch!!

 

[Royston Vasey]

It's since been renumbered back to 43053 - perhaps certain posters should apologise for their smugness

Edit: wasn't it just the first few FGW PCs which had "Reengineering Lite" before being retrofitted full mods to bring into line with the later examples?