Have TPE finally given up on the Scarborough service

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Alan2603

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As there was disruption and she chose not to travel (well not use her ticket anyway) she is entitled to a full refund of the ticket despite APs usually being non-refundable.

Thank you for that ainsworth 74.

I will let her know.
 
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Isn't TPE running to Edinburgh a franchise commitment that may have been insisted on by DaFT?
Whilst sitting on York station last Thursday I noticed the 8-13 TPE NOVA1 to Newcastle (late again !) had Edinburgh showing as the final destination on the coaches !.
 

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The cancellations haven’t just happened “recently” as the TPE spokesperson says - problems have been going on since May 2018. How will the new trains solve all the delays to services en route?

I have used the line since the 1970s and don’t ever recall services being cancelled in the old days - maybe in times of severe weather, but even then they seemed to battle their way through.
 

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The 0738 was meant to start from York at 0837 instead. The unit was still in platform 2 when I got there to get the 0852 to Manchester Airport (I normally get the 0844 XC, but this was cancelled, presumably due to yesterday's ECML issues). I think it eventually departed 20-25 minutes late.
 

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Transpennine Express must be on a mission to devastate the service to the extent that it is completely unusable. Wait until a time of year when lots of people are travelling, and it's cold outside, and then they have got really stuck in to presenting a random array of cancellations, trains that stop short, and those that run are frequently delayed.
 

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I've been staying back in Huddersfield for the last 5 days. My girlfriend came over for the day on Saturday and was booked on the 2052 back to Liverpool. She ended up getting the 1922 (which was 18 mins late) as she was worried about getting home. Its a good job she did as both the 1952 and 2052 services were cancelled. The TPE staff were helpful and accommodating, but this is no way to run a train service.

I'm now on the 1022 from Huddersfield, which was 12 mins late. It's beyond a joke!
 

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TPE reliability is seriously starting to get worrying on the Manchester - Scotland services, looking at journeycheck today, several services are being started/terminated at Preston.

For example, the 1710 from Glasgow is being started from Preston, therefore missing out the majority of the route. In my opinion this route is seriously unsuitable for TPE.
 

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TPE are going to self destruct itself soon nearly every day services are cancelled or turned short of their destination, this is no way to run train services at all. No wonder passengers get annoyed and upset - TPE used to be a company you could really trust to get you where you wanted to go, now it's pot luck where you end up.
 
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I'm now on the 1022 from Huddersfield, which was 12 mins late. It's beyond a joke!

These niggly delays seem to be the norm on the north TPE route, it's very rare for a train to be on time to the minute. The new timetable does have dwell times inserted at many stations including Huddersfield, which should improve these. It just requires enough units and crew to be available and trained
 

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TPE are going to self destruct itself soon nearly every day services are cancelled or turned short of their destination this is no way to run train services at all no wonder passengers get annoyed and upset TPE used to be a a company u could really trust to get u where u wanted to go now it's pot luck where u end up

They're in good company though. Northern and LNR are equally hopeless.
 

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LNWR are hopeless the moment they are more then 10 or 15 minutes late they turn them short I was stood Liverpool South parkway where they terminated a service throw every one off goes up the line then comes back 5 minutes later and start's the service there instead
 

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Today I've received the following marketing email from TPE - interesting first line choice of "stress-free," presumably the shopping, not the travel!

"Monday 18th November 2019
Do you want stress-free Christmas Shopping?

Escape the urban concrete jungle! Head for Scarborough’s seaside wonderland for Christmas shopping, it’s a breeze

  • Celebrity Christmas Lights Switch-On and Laser Show 14 November DJ Ryan Swain and celebrities Chris Gascoyne, Coronation Street’s Peter Barlow and rising country music star Twinnie of Hollyoaks fame, launch 6 weeks of family events galore and kick-starts your seaside Christmas shopping adventure with a range of festive activities.
  • Santa sails into Scarborough harbour 16 November
  • Victorian themed Christmas market 10-15 December
  • Family fun on Thursday Treasure Trails with top prizes starts 14 November
  • Scarborough Sparkle Open Air Theatre Christmas Market 29 Nov-1 December

Coast through your Christmas shopping list; choose from loads of gift ideas even for the person who has everything, along with a varied programme of fun activities, whatever your age, taste or budget.A pedestrianised area with your favourite high street stores, nearby streets with family shops and artisan independent shops, tucked just seconds away from the central area in quaint ginnels, or choose from the mouth-watering seasonal produce and gifts at the indoor market located just 5 minutes’ walk away from the pedestrianised area, don’t forget to visit the market vaults which is a maze of quirky, unusual and intriguing shops.

Quaint pubs with harbour views, town bars with festive merriment, cosy tearooms with scrumptious seasonal treats, bistros, family friendly cafés and restaurants, sourcing local produce whenever possible and serving tasty home cooked food, to help you recuperate from your Christmas shopping. A visit to Scarborough wouldn’t be complete without tucking into the freshest of fish and chips and a festive ice cream.

Escape for a winter break in Scarborough - perfect tranquillity and calmness and luxuriate in top class star-studded accommodation, enjoy the comfort of a traditional guesthouse or stay in a homely bed and breakfast – all hosted by local people who love to look after you during your stay.

Be beside the seaside for Christmas, the fun begins Thursday 14 November!

More Information: Counting Down to Christmas Scarborough T: @scarboroughxmas F: @scarboroughxmas I: #scarboroughxmas "
 

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TPE weren’t having a bad day about 6pm in Leeds yesterday

1807 Liverpool Cancelled
Newcastle about 8min late
Hull about 10min late

Everything else alright
 

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Today I've received the following marketing email from TPE - interesting first line choice of "stress-free," presumably the shopping, not the travel!

"Monday 18th November 2019
Do you want stress-free Christmas Shopping?

Escape the urban concrete jungle! Head for Scarborough’s seaside wonderland for Christmas shopping, it’s a breeze

  • Celebrity Christmas Lights Switch-On and Laser Show 14 November DJ Ryan Swain and celebrities Chris Gascoyne, Coronation Street’s Peter Barlow and rising country music star Twinnie of Hollyoaks fame, launch 6 weeks of family events galore and kick-starts your seaside Christmas shopping adventure with a range of festive activities.
  • Santa sails into Scarborough harbour 16 November
  • Victorian themed Christmas market 10-15 December
  • Family fun on Thursday Treasure Trails with top prizes starts 14 November
  • Scarborough Sparkle Open Air Theatre Christmas Market 29 Nov-1 December

Coast through your Christmas shopping list; choose from loads of gift ideas even for the person who has everything, along with a varied programme of fun activities, whatever your age, taste or budget.A pedestrianised area with your favourite high street stores, nearby streets with family shops and artisan independent shops, tucked just seconds away from the central area in quaint ginnels, or choose from the mouth-watering seasonal produce and gifts at the indoor market located just 5 minutes’ walk away from the pedestrianised area, don’t forget to visit the market vaults which is a maze of quirky, unusual and intriguing shops.

Quaint pubs with harbour views, town bars with festive merriment, cosy tearooms with scrumptious seasonal treats, bistros, family friendly cafés and restaurants, sourcing local produce whenever possible and serving tasty home cooked food, to help you recuperate from your Christmas shopping. A visit to Scarborough wouldn’t be complete without tucking into the freshest of fish and chips and a festive ice cream.

Escape for a winter break in Scarborough - perfect tranquillity and calmness and luxuriate in top class star-studded accommodation, enjoy the comfort of a traditional guesthouse or stay in a homely bed and breakfast – all hosted by local people who love to look after you during your stay.

Be beside the seaside for Christmas, the fun begins Thursday 14 November!

More Information: Counting Down to Christmas Scarborough T: @scarboroughxmas F: @scarboroughxmas I: #scarboroughxmas "

This illustrates how totally out of touch they are as an organization. Just abysmal.

More total chaos with the services at Scarborough this morning.
 

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This illustrates how totally out of touch they are as an organization. Just abysmal.

More total chaos with the services at Scarborough this morning.
A body was found on the track at Eccles this morning. I understand too that there were signalling problems at Malton.

TPE ran the following at short notice using 68030 plus TP12:

1Z85 12:00 Scarborough to York
1Z86 13:02 York to Scarborough
 

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Pleased to report that things are looking up from the December timetable, at least as far as Scarborough (SCA) is concerned.

  • Trains will additionally call at Stalybridge (SYB) and Garforth (GRF), reconnecting SYB with Liverpool Lime St (LIV), and reinstating GRF's fast journey opportunity to York (YRK). GRF remains connected with Hull (HUL) through Northern’s extended Halifax (HFX) to HUL service;
  • Trains are retimed to be well spaced at Malton (MLT), reducing risk of either service running late and delaying the other through the single platform;
  • There are some peak time calls at Cross Gates (CRG);
  • Trains depart YRK towards SCA at xx00. This provides a connection from the London train;
  • Trains depart SCA at xx34;
  • Trains depart LIV at xx54;
  • Turnarounds at SCA are 45 minutes;
  • Turnarounds at LIV are between 20-25 minutes;
  • Trains are diagrammed as a mixture of Cl185s and MkVa.

What's more, in the short-term, some of the day-time, off-peak LIV - Edinburgh (EDB) services are being removed which should hopefully ease up the train crew shortage issues and add an additional level of resilience.

More 'public' details available here...
https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/travel-updates/december-2019-timetable-changes
 
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Call it what you want, but I think it's pretty obvious that as soon as there's some mid-level disruption, there isn't enough resilience in the current crew availability. It's not a shortage until disruption hits and then it's technically displaced train crew.
 

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A body was found on the track at Eccles this morning. I understand too that there were signalling problems at Malton.

TPE ran the following at short notice using 68030 plus TP12:

1Z85 12:00 Scarborough to York
1Z86 13:02 York to Scarborough
The Nova set wasn't carrying passengers when it went through to Scarborough to return as 1Z85 - conductor not trained, so were these passenger trains.....?
 

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Pleased to report that things are looking up from the December timetable, at least as far as SCA is concerned.

  • Trains will additionally call at SYB and GRF, reconnecting SYB with LIV, and reinstating GRF's fast journey opportunity to YRK. GRF remains connected with HUL through Northern’s extended HFX to HUL service;
  • Trains are retimed to be well spaced at MLT, reducing risk of either service running late and delaying the other through the single platform;
  • There are some peak time calls at CRG;
  • Trains depart YRK towards SCA at xx00. This provides a connection from the London train;
  • Trains depart SCA at xx34;
  • Trains depart LIV at xx54;
  • Turnarounds at SCA are 45 minutes;
  • Turnarounds at LIV are between 20-25 minutes;
  • Trains are diagrammed as a mixture of Cl185s and MkVa.

What's more, in the short-term, some of the day-time, off-peak LIV - EDBs are being removed which should hopefully ease up the train crew shortage issues and add an additional level of resilience.

More 'public' details available here...
https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/travel-updates/december-2019-timetable-changes
No doubt you will receive the admin PM telling you not to use railway acronyms! In ghe menatime may I just add WTF as some fo those you've used need that
 

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The Nova set wasn't carrying passengers when it went through to Scarborough to return as 1Z85 - conductor not trained, so were these passenger trains.....?
They were shown as a public services on Journey Check but if you know better then fine.
 

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No doubt you will receive the admin PM telling you not to use railway acronyms! In ghe menatime may I just add WTF as some fo those you've used need that
It is the use of headcodes I find worse. Understand some rail staff only see headcodes so we could get no Gen without them. But when forum users say. “I am on 1z69” - it is annoying as the majority of us have no clue and need to look it up. They are on it so should know where it is coming from going to. But that is just me. Won’t distract the topic anymore. :)
 

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The Nova set wasn't carrying passengers when it went through to Scarborough to return as 1Z85 - conductor not trained, so were these passenger trains.....?

A 1Zxx will be a passenger train so presumably they found crew at Scarborough. If it was ECS it would be 5Zxx as I think was the previous inbound train.
 

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Maybe if TPE employed more crew to help when there is disruption there wouldn’t be so much mess... other TOCs are doing this... just a thought.

Can’t rely on Rest Day work that’s for sure.
 

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No doubt you will receive the admin PM telling you not to use railway acronyms! In ghe menatime may I just add WTF as some fo those you've used need that

That prompted me to look up which station was coded as WTF.
It appears that code is, as yet, unallocated.
 
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