Haverhill bus-rail link is “council priority”

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  1. CockneySparrow

    CockneySparrow Established Member

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    http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Haverhill-bus-rail-link-8220-council-priority/story-26272289-detail/story.html



    Just found the above online, seems a good idea but question is would it take off, it would certainly be cheaper than replacing the original line

    Perhaps this is where the future is with operators like GA operating buses direct to the nearest station with the driver selling orange stock tickets
     
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    I went to school in this town, and I can say that conversely I am really quite pleased that the railways abandoned this pit. I used to go to school on the bus, but if the Cambridge-Colchester line was still in use then I probably would have used that and would hate trains today in the same fashion I hate buses. Haverhill is a blemish on the face of the earth and with any luck it will cease to exist. I remember reading in a newspaper about a cat who got shot twice by youths with an air rifle in ONE WEEK in Haverhill... and this was in the one of the parts not considered rough. Well done Beeching, abandon this geographical pustule to the public transport hell it so readily deserves.

    Adam :D
     
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    Seems a bit odd to pick Great Chesterford. Whittlesford Parkway would be a shorter bus journey and has twice as many trains stop.
     
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    You mean to tell me there's a place in the UK worse than Rhyl? :D ;)
     
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    I also grew up nearby... and yes it is not a nice place at all
     
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    Agreed - and probably faster to get to as well (straight off the A505).

    Actually, at peak times, it might be as fast (or faster) to fit the Haverhill-Cambridge X13 buses with guided bus equipment, then divert some of them via the A11 - A505 (call at Whittlesford Parkway) - M11 - A1309 to Trumpington Park & Ride then guided busway to Cambridge Station.
     
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    Sounds like a Council charter to do absolutely nothing (yet again). Lots of plans, lots of hot air, no action.

    County councils' hold the budget to run subsidised bus services; they could run a bus link to the nearest station now if they wanted to.

    Expecting a TOC to run buses means it is probably not going to happen: mainly because their job is to run TRAINS. If councils really want better public transport, including much-needed integration between trains & buses, they need to put their money where their mouth is.

    The fact that they're talking about a bus link IN THE NEXT TWENTY YEARS shows the lack of ambition in these people. Ye Gods!
     
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    Things get more complicated when the bus would have to run across the county line- indeed, a Haverhill-Chesterford service would run from Suffolk, probably stop a couple of times in Cambridgeshire and terminate in Essex
     
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    Complicated indeed! Perhaps I was being a bit unfair, but honestly even so it should not take 20 years (or even two) to set up such a bus link.

    All they have to do is agree amongst themselves that they want to run it; choose a lead authority; agree a split of the costs between the various councils; issue a tender; appoint a contractor (bus operator); register the route with the Traffic Commissioners.

    No infrastructure to build, no planning application to make, no Transport & Works Act needed. Simple and straightforward. But it does of course involve making decisions (and taking responsibility for them). Neither of which seem to be councils' strong points.......
     
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    If it became part of the TOC operation, any subsidy would presumably come from national funds, not out of the local council budgets. It's easy to suggest things that you won't have to provide the funds for....

    Re-routing a few of the existing (half-hourly, some limited-stop) bus services to test the market shouldn't cost much - with online ticketing, needing to sell train tickets on the bus is a non-issue anyway.
     
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    That's not the idea, its about the train operator running the service, ie in this case GA presumably with white buses with a red door lol

    It will pick up/start at a designated stop in Haverhill then run direct to the nearest station in their eyes its Chesterford, this bus will not stop on route
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    Suppose if the bus started on the original site now Tesco and there could be a ticket machine inside the foyer
     
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    There's also lots of examples of LA-supported bus services that cross into other LAs without that other LA making a contribution, simply because it's the effective way to run the service.
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    Why would GA want to do that. What's in it for them unless it's commercially viable? It look like an LA wanting something for nothing on for a transport mode that's within their own responsibilities.
     
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    Could make it part of the franchise specification if it was wanted I would have thought. Clearly there would be a price to pay in terms of premium payments.

    How successful is / was the Audley End to Saffron Walden service and is it still running?
     
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    As of 2012/2013 it was only a benefit if you were going to London, if you were going to Cambridge etc there was usually a long wait for the train, haven't investigated or used the service myself but been told by others that have
     
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    The Hills Road railway bridge means that only single decked vehicles can use the south end of the busway due to the height clearance.

    They could convert the X buses to single deck and use a busway vehicle but not sure its worth the time, effort and money for a couple of trips.

    Diverting the 13s to the rail station though I think is a good idea.
     
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