I don't know, but even if it does this line is probably a long way down the list of those that need the few 12-car services possible (based on available loadings and platform limitations at Charing X). Currently the Sevenoaks' stoppers get them all; in May the Bexleyheath line gets a morning 12-car diagram too, but after that the Sidcup line would be a bigger draw (I wonder if this line not getting any 12s is a sign the Hayes line can't do 12 car as Sidcup and Hayes' services alternate between each other)?
I happen to have the 1968 timetable to hand. Off-peak it was only half-hourly all stations via Lewisham except St Johns with a connection from Elmers End to Addiscombe.
Are any booked for Networkers?
Yes, and some are 10-car length Mon-Thu (and the odd 10-car allocation Saturdays), as they alternate with the Sidcup line which definitely has these too.
I'd be interested to know just how much of Metro through London Bridge is 376/707 compared to 46x now to be honest, because whenever I'm on the network these days the 376 and 707 definitely seem to dominate nowadays, especially Cannon Street.
Still a lot of Networkers. Victoria doesn’t see any 376s or 707s for example.
Yes of course, I should have worded it better, I mean the via London Bridge operations.
Victoria is 100% Networker on metro routes, given the many 8-car platforms on that route. Cannon Street being more 376/707 makes sense, as the services from here tend to be relatively short, so the lack of toilets is less of an issue. From Charing X the Hayes and Sidcup lines feel 50/50, however Sevenoaks' stoppers are Networker-dominated, then of course Tunbridge Wells', while not metro per say, sucks in a number of Networker units, along with about 2/3 of Victoria-Gillingham stoppers (normally 4-car off peak, but some double to 8-car in the peak).
Aha, I see what you mean. On experience (usually Saturdays as I have music school in Greenwich so travel that way) it’s about a 1/3 split of each, 376, 707 and 465. Barely any 466s on Saturday.
Pre-December 2022 it was 2tph Cannon St and 2tph Charing Cross. Now, its 4tph Charing Cross (2 via Lewisham)
Yes I definitely think the number of booked Networkers to Cannon Street is now quite low.
In all honesty the services via Greenwich seem to be pot luck. Last time I used one it was 2x 465 but it is usually a 376 on that route. Seems to be about 50% 376, 30% 707 and 20% Networkers down that route.
No, there are only cameras for 4, 8 and 12, so a 10-car stops two carriage lengths from the buffers in order that the rear lines up with the 12-car cameras. Presumably a 5-car would have to stop three carriage lengths from the buffers but I can't remember seeing that on the few occasions I've visited.
Are drivers of camera fitted trains required to use platform cameras?
I recall in those days there were a few direct services to.and from Adiscombe to London .Excellent thread on a line which gets little attention
A good friend was the ASM at Elmers End circa 1980 - her first real job , and quite a challenge then - largely due to staff shortages !
That particular research can be done very easily by looking at the carriage working notices here - https://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/freedom-of-information
For the 707s no and the driving position isn't located to easily see the platform monitors out of the window. Most drivers would prefer train fitted display as no monitor glare and on more recent stock ability to zoom a particular camera. The stopping position will often be the same for consistency reasons but don't know if that applies at Hayes.
Or build additional exits by the back of the train on arrival at a key terminus, so passengers have a quick means of getting in/out the station along a greater length. The front is busy because at most London terminals, the main/only exit is at the front of the train. Trains heading away from the main terminus are not so bad, as passengers have more time to spread out and head for the carriage closest to the exit of their local station, which is not always the same one along the length of the train. The back tends to be busier though as the last minute arrivals obviously get on the first door to ensure they board before it's too late.
