Help me identify these family railway artifacts

[alexwfirth]

Hello,

I have two artifacts from the Stockton & Darlington Railway that I need help identifying. They are a silver cup dated 1855 and a silver bowl dated 1928 both given to my great great grandparents who worked on the lines. Can anyone tell me more information about them? Were they common? What were they given for? Anything else would be appreciated!

Thanks

 

[silverfoxcc]

Could you copy what each individual inscription says please?

 

[83G/84D]

I wonder if these are long service awards or something similar. I may be off the mark and would be interested to hear more about these.

 

[randyrippley]

The (rose?) bowl is far too late to be anything to do with the S&D
And presented "by the staff of Holgate" - note not the management. That doesn't sound like anything to do with a railway, more like a hotel and probably a gift from the staff to a leaving manager. More the kind of thing female staff would give than male


The mug looks like a typical long service / retirement gift and clearly is from the S&D

The dates mean they're clearly gifts to different people with the same surname - 70 or so years apart. Anyone know a Teeside business named Holgate?

 

[pdeaves]

The (rose?) bowl is far too late to be anything to do with the S&D
And presented "by the staff of Holgate" - note not the management. That doesn't sound like anything to do with a railway, more like a hotel and probably a gift from the staff to a leaving manager. More the kind of thing female staff would give than male


The mug looks like a typical long service / retirement gift

The dates mean they're clearly gifts to different people with the same surname - 70 or so years apart. Anyone know a Teeside business named Holgate?

Not a reference to Leeds Holgate depot?

 

[randyrippley]

Not a reference to Leeds Holgate depot?

Do you mean York? Leeds was Holbeck. Would make sense if there was a family history of working at the NER.
Would also explain why the inscription just says "Holgate"

 

[Marton]

Holgate was the name of the former workhouse in Middlesbrough which evolved into the Middlesbrough General Hospital.

 

[Marton]

If you’re local to Middlesbrough/ Cleveland You might find something of relevance in the Teesside Archive.

 

[alistairlees]

Hello,

I have two artifacts from the Stockton & Darlington Railway that I need help identifying. They are a silver cup dated 1855 and a silver bowl dated 1928 both given to my great great grandparents who worked on the lines. Can anyone tell me more information about them? Were they common? What were they given for? Anything else would be appreciated!

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Why don't you write out the inscriptions? Then you might get more useful help.

 

[randyrippley]

Holgate was the name of the former workhouse in Middlesbrough which evolved into the Middlesbrough General Hospital.

that sounds a good shout
there's a webpage about the place at http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Middlesbrough/
and more at
http://ctlhs.co.uk/golden-jubilee/fifty-interesting-buildings/the-middlesbrough-workhouse/

 

[pdeaves]

Do you mean York? Leeds was Holbeck. Would make sense if there was a family history of working at the NER.
Would also explain why the inscription just says "Holgate"

D'oh, yes, York, sorry!

 

[alexwfirth]

Hi thanks a lot. The inscriptions are as follows (as far as i can work out):

Cup: "Presented to Edward Parr, Porter on the Stockton & Darlington Railway, ?presented by the friends? in Crook, as a token of respect, 13th Jan 1855.

Bowl:"Presented to Mr J F Parr by the staff of Holgate, Sep 1928"

The family is indeed from Middlesbrough. We know Edward Parr was a porter on the railway, and this has been confirmed by census records, but J F Parr (his son) is listed as a house painter, so why would he have been given this bowl?

 

[option]

Hi thanks a lot. The inscriptions are as follows (as far as i can work out):

Cup: "Presented to Edward Parr, Porter on the Stockton & Darlington Railway, ?presented by the friends? in Crook, as a token of respect, 13th Jan 1855.

Bowl:"Presented to Mr J F Parr by the staff of Holgate, Sep 1928"

The family is indeed from Middlesbrough. We know Edward Parr was a porter on the railway, and this has been confirmed by census records, but J F Parr (his son) is listed as a house painter, so why would he have been given this bowl?

He may be listed in a record as a house painter, because he was at that time. It doesn't mean he was always a painter. Could easily have also been a caretaker/general maintenance person at some time.

If it is the Holgate workhouse, then it was still that in 1928
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Middlesbrough/

 

[randyrippley]

Hi thanks a lot. The inscriptions are as follows (as far as i can work out):

Cup: "Presented to Edward Parr, Porter on the Stockton & Darlington Railway, ?presented by the friends? in Crook, as a token of respect, 13th Jan 1855.

Bowl:"Presented to Mr J F Parr by the staff of Holgate, Sep 1928"

The family is indeed from Middlesbrough. We know Edward Parr was a porter on the railway, and this has been confirmed by census records, but J F Parr (his son) is listed as a house painter, so why would he have been given this bowl?

Son or grandson? They're 73 years apart as gifts, and neither is something that would be presented to a young man. Both look like long service or retirement awards.
Have you missed a generation? This page from 1890 https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/NRY/Middlesbrough/Middlesbrough90Dry
lists a John Parr as a carrier to Stockton with railway links - looks like he may have been an agent. Were there two generations named J Parr?