Heritage Tram at Manchester Victoria

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  1. Simon Poole

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    I came across this from watching a vlog on YouTube and seen this on Twitter but on the 20th October, Manchester Victoria celebrates 175 years and Northern having a open day at the station.

    Now this is quoted from their twitter page:

    It mention that you be able to ride on a Heritage Tram on this day and making me wonder what kind of heritage tram will be used for the day?
     
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  3. Jamesrob637

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    Pacer with a pantograph :lol:
     
  4. LOL The Irony

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    Possibly T68 1007 or one of the T68A's that were kept for future use? They are technically heritage.
     
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    After trawling various sites I've found nothing immediately relevant. However that weekend does see the Greater Manchester Transport Society staging Transpo 50 to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the original PTEs starting their own operations and this will certainly include their usual shuttle service between the city centre and the Museum of Transport operated by heritage buses.
     
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    LOL to the pacer with the pantograph and that's what I was thinking that it maybe 1007, or a T68A, I did see a few in Manchester before withdrawn, in fact I also seen one or two in Long Marston in 2016.
     
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    A bit of a stretched definition of "heritage", and are they still fitted with the signalling kit needed to operate on Metrolink 'proper'?
     
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    Pacer with a pantograph would predate any heritage Manchester tram! :)
     
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    1007 is. However it would need a fair bit of work to get it running again, not to mention driver refreshers.
     
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    I recall a few T68A's being kept for crowd busting or something like that, so have been on standby for the past 7 years despite never being used.
     
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    No T68As were kept for "crowd busting", there was talk of using one for ice-breaking/works duties but this was very quickly deemed unfeasible. Just one T68A, 2001, remains on Metrolink.

    I expect that this is some creative wording, as 507 001 has pointed out the logistics of running 1007 would be complex, and any of the nearby Manchester Transport Museum Society's trams at Heaton Park would not be compatible with Metrolink on a fundamental level. It could mean that Heaton Park will be operating on that day.
     
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    Unlikely, as they are closed until they can get the funds to replace their stolen overhead copper cable!

    http://hptramway.co.uk/index.php/news/
    Perhaps it will be left live 24/7 in the future.......
     
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    The wire has been replaced with the assistance of TfGM and Keolis Amey Metrolink and a re-opening is hoped for in the next few weeks.

    https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2019/10/metrolink-complete-heaton-help.html
    It is also possible that something was planned prior to the theft and that it wasn’t fully communicated through to Northern’s PR team.
     
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    We will indeed, the details of the event are on the Museum's website at http://www.gmts.co.uk/what-s-on.html#mainevent . The bus timetable, including times at Corporation St next to Victoria, are at http://www.gmts.co.uk/what-s-on.html#centreshuttle

    On Sunday 20th there'll be free vintage bus services between the Museum of Transport, Corporation St opposite Victoria station (stop NU) and Shudehill Interchange (stand E); and between the Museum and Heaton Park Tramway. But I don't know anything about heritage trams, sorry.
     
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    No idea where you’ve got that from!

    the theory that 2001 was being retained for engineering use appears to have just been a rumour too.
     
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    How many T68/T68As are actually still surviving (i.e. not scrapped)? Is that motley (graffiti-covered) collection round the back of Trafford depot still there?
     
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    Four - one T68, two T68Xs and one T68A.

    1020; 1007 and 1023; 2001.
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    That's the first time I've seen that designation. Does it denote the T68A-alike refurb?
     
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    I am just joking here, but it could be either steam or horse powered, as long as it is on (temporary) rails, trams don't have to be electrically powered.
     
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    The designation was only used internally, so unless you worked for them you wouldn't really see it that often.
     
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    That's great news.

    However, I am very disappointed with the tramway as there is no mention of this at all on their website as the last headline news is about the theft of the cable. I checked there to see if repairs had been made.

    I am doubly disappointed that the Go Fund Me page for the restoration of the cable is still open with no mention that the cable has been reinstated. People are still donating in good faith, last one four days ago (6/10/19).
     
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    I think (correct me if I'm wrong) T68Xs are the original T68s that got the modifications necessary to run to Eccles?
     
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    Yes, also referred to as T68M.
     
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    What did those mods consist of? The obvious stuff was bogie fairings, coupler covers, internal PIS (with the typeface made from intricate tesslating LED panels), and flip-dot destination boards in place of roller blinds. None of that seems necessary for Eccles running, though, so I suppose there is more on a technical level?
     
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    These were required for Eccles, the standards changed so were more onerous for this branch and subsequent ones than the original network.
     
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    The heritage tram at Victoria will be Manchester 173, ordinarily resident at Heaton Park. But I don’t know how/if it will give rides.
     
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    The tram is not operational, so will not be giving rides. Static display only.
     

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