Historic Timetables (Departure lists) from closed stations.

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    Sheffield Victoria, June 1955
    00:04 (MX) Swindon
    00:25 (21:30 Liverpool Central) London Marylebone
    02:11 (MO) (01:05 Manchester London Road) Grimsby via Retford
    02:57 (MX) Liverpool Central
    03:11 (01:50 Manchester London Road) Cleethorpes via Retford
    03:40 (MX) (Swansea) York
    04:20 Leeds Central via Doncaster
    06:00 Penistone
    06:05 Nottingham Victoria (local)
    06:16 (SO**) Boston
    06:20 Leeds Central via Doncaster
    06:27 Lincoln Central
    07:05 Penistone
    07:10 (SO**) Bridlington
    07:15 (SX**) Bridlington (via Doncaster avoiding line)
    07:16 (SO**) Cleethorpes via Retford
    07:18 (SO) Liverpool Central
    07:25 (SO**) Rugby Central
    07:30 Retford
    07:40(SO) /07:50 (SX) London Marylebone ("Master Cutler")
    07:50 (SO**) Yarmouth Vauxhall
    07:57 Chesterfield Central
    08:00 Doncaster
    08:10 Lincoln Central
    08:15 Penistone
    08:17 York (Scarborough in summer)
    08:36 (SO**) Bridlington
    08:42 (06:45 Leicester Central) Manchester Central
    08:43 (SO**) Skegness (nominally non-stop)
    08:55 (SO**) Yarmouth Vauxhall
    09:05 Manchester London Road
    09:17 (07:18 Hucknall Central) Blackpool North
    09:18 (SO**) Skegness
    09:25 (SX) Lincoln Central
    09:30 (SO**) Scarborough Londesborough Road)
    09:38 (Manchester London Road) London Marylebone
    09:52 (07:32 Leicester Central) Manchester London Road
    09:55 (SO) /09:58 (SX) Hull via Doncaster
    10:03 (SO**) (08:40 Manchester Central) Sutton on Sea & Mablethorpe
    10:07 (SX) /10:10 (SO) Nottingham Victoria (local)
    10:22 (SO) (09:10 Manchester L.Rd.) Lincoln (SX) /Skegness(SO)
    10:30 (SO**) Filey Holiday Camp
    10:39 (SO**) (09:30 Manchester L.Rd.) Cleethorpes via Retford
    10:45 Penistone
    10:48 (09:25 Manchester Central) Yarmouth Vauxhall
    11:11 (SO**) (08:27 Cleethorpes) Manchester Central
    11:13 (10:05 Manchester L.Rd.) Cleethorpes via Retford
    11:19 ( 09:27 Hull) Liverpool Central
    11:22 (SO**) London Marylebone
    11:34 (10:00 Bradford Exchange) London Marylebone ("South Yorkshireman")
    11:40 (SO**) (09:14 Cleethorpes) Manchester London Road
    11:43 (SO) (09:20 Liverpool Central) Doncaster
    11:47 (SX) /12:01 (SO) (09:30 Liverpool Central) Hull via Doncaster
    11:52 (SO**) (10:15 Bradford Exchange) Poole
    12:04 (York or Newcastle) Bournemouth West
    12:10 (09:43 Cleethorpes) Manchester London Road
    12:38 (SO) Doncaster
    12:43 (SO) /12:59 (SX) Cleethorpes via Retford
    12:55 (SO) Penistone
    13:12 (FSO) (09:12 Bury St. Edmunds) Manchester Central
    13:21 (08:00 Harwich P. Quay) Liverpool Central
    13:36 (SO**) Cardiff via Banbury
    13:48 (York or Newcastle) Banbury (MFSX) / Swansea (MFSO)
    13:55 (SX) /13:56 (SO) (12:35 Manchester L. Rd.) Leicester Central (most stations)
    14:00 (SO**) (11:43 Rugby Central) Manchester Central
    14:02 (SX) /14:19 (SO) (10:00 London Marylebone) Manchester London Road
    14:07 Cleethorpes via Retford
    14:20 Nottingham Victoria; local but avoids Chesterfield Central)
    14:28 (SO**) (Blackpool North) Hucknall Central (all stations via Chesterfield Cen.)
    14:37 (SO**) (11:52 Skegness) Manchester Central
    14:43 (SO**) (13:25 Manchester Central) Bury St. Edmunds
    14:43 (FSX) /14:49 (FSO) Doncaster
    15:03 (12:50 Liverpool Central) Harwich Town
    15:11 (13:45 Manchester L. Rd.) London Marylebone
    15:22 Manchester London Road
    15:39 York (FO to Newcastle)
    15:44 Lincoln Central
    16:10 (SX) Penistone
    16:10 Nottingham Victoria (local)
    16:15 Doncaster
    16:25 (12:15 London Marylebone) Manchester London Road
    16:49 (SO**) (11:10 Yarmouth Vauxhall) Manchester Central
    16:54 Retford
    17:05 (16:00 Manchester L. Rd.) London Marylebone
    17:15 Manchester London Road
    17:21 Doncaster
    17:25 (SX) Retford
    17:33 Penistone
    17:39 Retford
    17:42 (SO) (10:25 Poole) Bradford Exchange via Penistone
    17:49 Nottingham Victoria (local)
    18:10 (SX) York (Newcastle on some dates)
    18:12 (SO**) Manchester Central
    18:20 Doncaster
    18:24 (17:00 Manchester L. Rd.) Cleethorpes via Retford
    18:25 (FO) (17:33 Doncaster) Liverpool Central
    18:33 (FSX) /18:37 (FSO) (16:18 Hull) Liverpool Central
    18:45 (16:50 London Marylebone) Bradford Exchange via Penistone ("South Yorkshireman)
    19:10 (16:30 Liverpool Central) Hull via Doncaster
    19:27 (FSX)( /19:37 (FSO) (15:20 London Marylebone) Manchester London Road
    20:32 (York; Scarborough in summer) Swindon
    20:47 (SO) /20:50 (SX) York via Doncaster
    20:54 Retford
    21:08 Manchester London Road
    22:25 (18:18 SX/18:15 SO London Marylebone) Manchester London Road
    22:30 Retford (SO to Gainsborough Central)
    23:57 (FO**) Hastings
     
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    I remember travelling to the terminal Yarmouth Beach station in the mid-1950s for two holidays with family friends and the last time I was in the area, there were still a couple of cast iron canopy staunchions standing that had the crest initials of the original company enclosed within a circular frame. I think that station served many small halts could be visited from that station at one time period.

    Is this a station worthy of being considered for this thread?
     
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    Some M&GNR station departure lists:
    The Midland & Great Northern Railway (M&GNR) was owned by Midland Railway (MR) & Great Northern Railway (GNR). In the west, there were two sections. One line commenced at an end-on junction at Little Bytham Jn, on the MR branch from Saxby Jn, south of Melton Mowbray. This ran via Bourne and Spalding to Sutton Bridge; through trains avoided Spalding station, local trains used connection into the GNR Spalding station, where reversals were necessary to continue beyond Spalding. This route was joined at Sutton Bridge by a line from Peterborough, which left the ECML (GNR) and the Peterborough – Leicester (MR) line at Wisbech Jn, and ran via Wisbech North. After Sutton Bridge, the route ran via South Lynn to Fakenham (West) and Melton Constable, where the route split. One line continued via Aylsham, North Walsham & Caister to Yarmouth Beach; another line ran to Norwich City. After reversal at Melton Constable, another line ran to Weybourne, Sheringham & Cromer Beach.

    There were several connections to other routes, e.g.:
    South Lynn to Kings Lynn; Cromer Beach to Mundesley & North Walsham;
    Yarmouth Beach to Gorleston North (on the Yarmouth South Town to Lowestoft line)

    Many of the larger towns on the route were served by alternative railways (often at separate stations), whilst other stations served sparsely populated rural areas. The route was mostly single track with passing loops, and even the "express" services were pretty slow due to the need to wait at many passing loops. So, it was probably no surprise when almost the entire M&GNR system closed in 1959

    Yarmouth Beach, June 1955.
    ** - Summer only.
    06:51 Peterborough North (arrive 11:01SX or 11:20 SO; most stations to South Lynn, then semi-fast)
    07:45 North Walsham Town (SO) / Aylsham North (SX)
    08:00 (SX) Potter Heigham
    08:23 (SO**) Chesterfield Midland
    08:46 (SO**) Leicester London Road
    09:00 Leicester & Birmingham New St (Norwich portion added at Melton Constable)
    09:30 (SO**) Derby Midland
    09:35 (SX) Potter Heigham
    09:50 (SO**) Leicester London Road
    10:05 Peterborough North
    11:10 (SO**) Leicester London Road
    11:30 (SO**) Mansfield Town (Cromer portion added at Melton Constable)
    11:42 (WSO) North Walsham Town
    12:15 (SX) Potter Heigham
    12:42 Peterborough North
    13:15 (SO) Peterborough North
    13:20 (ThO) Stalham
    14:27 (SX) Potter Heigham
    15:00 (SO) Leicester London Road
    15:51 (SO) Melton Constable
    16:19 (SX) Potter Heigham
    16:55 North Walsham Town (SO) / Aylsham North (SX)
    18:15 Melton Constable (connection for South Lynn & Kings Lynn
    18:30 (SX) Potter Heigham
    21:00 North Walsham Town
    21:30 (SX) Potter Heigham
    22:40 (SO) Melton Constable
    23:01 (SX) Martham

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    Norwich City (June 1955).
    06:28 Melton Constable
    07:41 Melton Constable
    09:31 Birmingham New Street
    10:32 Melton Constable
    16:52 Melton Constable
    17:32 Fakenham West
    19:16 Kings Lynn
    22:45 (SO) Weybourne

    Cromer Beach (M&GNR Services only), June 1955.
    07:50 Melton Constable
    08:40 Melton Constable (SO** Birmingham New St.)
    09:28 (SO**) Birmingham New St.
    09:42 Melton Constable / Birmingham New St (SX in summer)
    10:29 Melton Constable
    12:17 (SO**) Mansfield Town
    13:36 Melton Constable (does not run on dates when 14:08 runs)
    14:08 (SO**) Melton Constable
    14:49 Melton Constable
    15:50 (SO**) Leicester London Road
    16:15 Melton Constable (portion from London Liverpool St.)
    18:17 Sheringham (connection for Melton Constable)
    19:20 Melton Constable
    21:05 Melton Constable (portion from London Liverpool St.)
    22:34 Sheringham (MFSX) or Melton Constable (MFSO)

    Bourne (M&GNR line towards East Anglia) June 1955.
    07:40 Spalding (reverse) & Kings Lynn
    08:36 (SO**) (Leicester London Road – Yarmouth Beach)
    09:09 (SO**) (Leicester – Hunstanton & Cromer Beach)
    10:23 (SO**) (Leicester London Road – Yarmouth Beach)
    10:39 Spalding (reverse) & Kings Lynn
    11:10 (SO**) (Nottingham Midland – Yarmouth Beach)
    11:47 (SO**) (Chesterfield Midland – Yarmouth Beach)
    12:07 (SO**) (Derby Midland – Yarmouth Beach & Cromer Beach)
    12:32 (SO**) (Birmingham & Leicester – Yarmouth Beach & Cromer Beach)
    14:13 (SO) Spalding Town
    16:25 (Birmingham & Leicester – Cromer, Norwich City & Yarmouth Beach)
    16:35 (SO) Spalding Town
    18:10 (Nottingham Midland – Kings Lynn)
    21:07 (Nottingham Midland – Spalding Town)

    South Lynn (M&GNR westward departures), June 1955
    (KL = From Kings Lynn)
    06:52 (KL 06:45) Nottingham Midland
    07:08 (KL 07:00) Peterborough North
    09:48 Peterborough North (from Yarmouth)
    10:21 (SO**) (Cromer – Leicester & Birmingham)
    10:42 (SO**) (Yarmouth – Chesterfield)
    10:53 (SO**) (Yarmouth – Leicester)
    11:11 (SO**) (Cromer – Leicester & Birmingham)
    11:24 (Yarmouth, Norwich & Cromer – Leicester & Birmingham)
    11:42 (SX) /11:53 (SO) (Hunstanton & KL – Peterborough North)
    12:32 (SO**) (Yarmouth – Derby)
    12:43 (SO) (KL 12:36) Peterborough North
    12:50 (SO**) (Yarmouth – Leicester)
    13:00 (SX) /13:23 (SO) Peterborough North
    13:40 (SO) (Yarmouth – Leicester)
    14:10 (SO) (Yarmouth & Cromer – Mansfield Town)
    15:22 (SO) (Melton Constable – Peterborough North)
    15:33 (SX) /16:13 (SO) (Yarmouth – Peterborough North)
    16:30 (KL 16:21) Nottingham Midland
    17:43 (SO**) (Yarmouth & Cromer – Leicester)
    17:53 (KL 17:45) Peterborough North
    19:28** (KL 19:21) Bourne
    20:35 (ThSO) (Hunstanton & KL – Peterborough North)

    Peterborough North (M&GNR departures only), June 1955
    05:10 Kings Lynn
    06:43 Yarmouth Beach
    09:18 (SO**) Yarmouth Beach (semi-fast)
    10:35 Yarmouth Beach
    11:25 (ThSO) Hunstanton via Kings Lynn
    12:47 Yarmouth Beach
    15:42 Kings Lynn
    17:55 Kings Lynn
    20:15 Melton Constable
    22:45 (SO) Kings Lynn
     
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    Manchester Mayfield 1958

    07:50 Stoke
    08:35 Crewe
    15:30 Crewe - parcels
    16:35 SX Crewe
    17:00 Wilmslow
    17:08 Stockport
    17:27 Stockport
    18:20 Crewe - parcels
    18:30 Crewe
    19:40 Crewe - parcels
    20:20 FO Buxton
    21:38 SO Euston - newspapers

    Manchester Mayfield 1962

    00:10 Stockport - parcels
    06:25 Wilmslow - parcels
    06:45 Buxton - parcels
    11:27 Stafford - parcels
    14:00 SX Crewe - parcels
    18:30 SO Crewe - parcels
    19:00 SX Birmingham - parcels
    20:02 SO Ardwick - parcels
    21:00 SX Crewe - parcels
    21:59 SX Stafford - parcels
    22:15 SX Sheffield Vic - parcels
    22:27 SX Euston - parcels
    23:32 SO Durham - newspapers
    23:57 SO Stockport - parcels
     
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    Oldham Clegg St parcel trains 1968 - many seem to be for Christmas traffic from mail order

    01:00 MX Cardiff (Oct- Dec)
    01:50 MO Peterborough (Nov- Dec)
    02:00 MO Euston (Nov- Dec)
    04:30 MO Carlisle (Nov- Dec)
    06:45 MO York (Nov- Dec)
    07:10 MX Bolton
    13:32 SX Man Vic
    16:28 SO Man Vic
    20:00 SX Crewe (Oct-Dec) from Oldham Glodwick Rd
    20:25 SX Man Vic from Oldham Glodwick Rd
    20:55 SX Stockport
    21:05 SX Blackburn
    21:25 SX Ashton Moss
    21:40 SX Bletchley from Oldham Glodwick Rd
    23:53 SX Man Vic
     
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    Birmingham Curzon St - parcel trains 1968

    00:01 MX Leicester
    01:15 MX Rugby
    04:32 Stoke
    05:15 Leamington Spa
    05:30 Walsall
    05:52 Dudley
    06:02 SO 06:17 SX Sutton Park
    06:13 Worcester SH
    09:55 Stockport
    10:20 SX Rugby
    11:00 Worcester SH
    13:20 Kidderminster
    15:20 Coventry
    18:15 SX Tyseley
    18:20 SX Kidderminster
    18:25 SX Lichfield City
    18:55 SX Peterborough
    20:54 SX Crewe
    21:30 SX York
    21:45 SX Bristol TM
    21:50 SX Walsall
    21:57 Birmingham NS
    22:20 SX Preston

    Sundays
    00:50 Crewe
    05:14 Bristol
     
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    Swansea Victoria 1950

    06:15 Craven Arms
    07:10 SO Shrewsbury - summer
    07:20 Pantyfftnnon
    07:45 Shrewsbury
    08:30 Pontardulais
    10:15 Shrewsbury /Manchester Mayfield SO summer
    11:55 SO Llandrindod Wells Summer
    12:05 Pontardulais
    12:30 Shrewsbury
    13:05 Pontardulais
    13:35 Pontardulais
    16:06 SX 16:20 SO Pontardulais
    17:20 Llandebie
    17:55 FO Leeds
    18:30 York
    18:40 Tirydail
    20:25 Ammanford

    No Sunday services

    Swansea St Thomas 1950

    08:20 Brynamman East
    13:05 Ystalyfera
    17:25 SX Brynamman East SO Ystalyfera
    18:30 SO Brynamman East
    21:20 SO Ystalyfera

    No Sunday services
     
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    One from Ireland - Dublin Harcourt St 1948

    07:50 Bray
    08:15 Bray
    08:45 Bray
    09:55 Bray
    11:00 SX Bray
    12:45 SX Greystones SO Bray
    13:00 SO Greystones
    13:10 SX Foxrock
    13:20 Bray
    13:50 SO Greystones
    14:15 SX Bray
    15:12 Greystones
    16:30 Bray
    17:00 Wexford
    17:15 Greystones
    17:45 Bray
    18:20 Greystones
    19:05 Greystones
    20:45 Greystones
    21:35 Bray
    22:10 Greystones
    23:10 Greystones

    No Sunday services
     
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    Plymouth Friary, May 1949.
    (SX timetable)
    05:35 Turnchapel
    05:56 Salisbury (all stations)
    06:10 Tavistock
    06:18 Turnchapel
    06:48 Turnchapel
    07:08 Exeter Central
    07:28 Turnchapel
    07:34 Tavistock
    08:15 London Waterloo
    08:17 Turnchapel
    08:48 Turnchapel
    10:00 Brighton
    10:40 Turnchapel
    11:30 (MThFO) London Waterloo ("Devon Belle")
    11:35 London Waterloo (all stations to Exeter Central)
    12:15 Turnchapel
    12:48 Turnchapel
    13:22 Tavistock
    13:26 Turnchapel
    14:07 Turnchapel
    14:25 London Waterloo
    14:35 Exeter Central
    15:50 London Waterloo
    16:05 Tavistock
    16:22 Turnchapel
    16:40 London Waterloo via Eastleigh
    17:07 Turnchapel
    17:11 Tavistock
    17:39 Turnchapel
    18:16 Tavistock
    18:30 Turnchapel
    19:10 Exeter Central
    19:30 Turnchapel
    20:30 Turnchapel
    21:15 Tavistock
    21:30 Turnchapel
    22:30 Turnchapel
    Saturday timetable was similar, with slight variations in times.
    Plus
    09:40 Portsmouth & Southsea
    12:08 Tavistock

    Padstow, May 1949
    08:30 Okehampton
    09:52(SX) / 10:45 (SO) London Waterloo ("Atlantic Coast Express")
    13:00 London Waterloo
    14:55 (SX) /15:15 (SO) Exeter Central
    18:00 Exeter Central

    Bude, May 1949
    07:58 London Waterloo
    09:00 (SO) London Waterloo
    09:30 Exeter Central
    10:58(SX) / 11:45 (SO) London Waterloo ("Atlantic Coast Express")
    14:00 London Waterloo
    15:13 London Waterloo
    17:30 Halwill Jn
    19:02 Exeter Central
    20:20 (ThO) Holsworthy

    Ilfracombe, May 1949
    07:45 (SO) Barnstaple Jn
    08:10 London Waterloo
    09:00 (SX) Salisbury (most stations) / (SO) London Waterloo
    09:25 (SO) Barnstaple Jn
    10:25 (SO) Barnstaple Jn
    10:30(SX) /10:40 (SO) London Waterloo ("Atlantic Coast Express")
    11:05 (SO) London Waterloo
    12:00 (MThFSO) London Waterloo ("Devon Belle")
    12:20 (SX) London Waterloo
    12:35 (SO) Exeter Central
    13:45 (SO) London Waterloo
    14:10 London Waterloo
    15:00 Exeter Central
    16:45 Exeter Central
    17:15 (SO) Barnstaple Jn
    17:45 Barnstaple Jn
    18:50 (SO) Exeter Central
    19:45 Exeter Central
    20:30 Barnstaple Jn
     
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    Padstow also had SR services to Bodmin North and the occasional SR/WR through service to Bodmin Road.

    Bodmin was a classic example of one of the missed opportunities of nationalisation, where instead of closing Bodmin North and concentrating on a through Bodmin Road to Padstow service , the old pattern of working was retained.
     
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    The service pattern at Plymouth etc didnt change much until the end of steam, apart from:
    closure of Turnchapel (1950?)
    withdrawal of the Belle (after summer 1954?)
    closure of Friary to passengers (1958) with trains starting at North Road.
     
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    I have a note in my railway archives that the last passenger train from Turnchapel left there at 10:45pm on 8th September 1951, but goods traffic was still handled after that.
     
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    Bournemouth West, May 1949
    06:48 Bath Green Park
    07:20 London Waterloo
    07:30 Eastleigh
    08:10 Brockenhurst via Wimborne
    08:20 (MSO) London Waterloo
    08:30 Wareham
    08:35 London Waterloo
    08:40 (SO) Bradford via S&DJR
    08:50 Stalbridge
    09:20 (SX) / 09:30 (SO) Birkenhead Woodside
    09:25 (SO) Liverpool & Manchester via S&DJR
    09:45 Manchester via S&DJR ("Pines Express") (Sheffield portion on SX)
    09:55 (SO) Sheffield & Leeds via S&DJR
    10:04 Salisbury via Wimborne
    10:12 London Waterloo
    10:15 (SO) Derby via S&DJR
    10:40 (SO) Nottingham & Cleethorpes via S&DJR
    10:50 (SO) London Waterloo
    11:02 London Waterloo
    11:12 (SO) Derby via S&DJR
    11:16 Newcastle
    11:40 Gloucester Eastgate (FSX) /Derby (FO) /Sheffield (SO) via S&DJR
    11:45 (SO) /11:48 (SX) Brockenhurst
    12:10 (SO) London Waterloo
    12:20 (SX) London Waterloo
    12:25 (SO) Birmingham New St. via S&DJR
    12:35 Brockenhurst via Wimborne
    12:55 Templecombe
    13:05 London Waterloo
    13:20 Salisbury via Wimborne
    13:30 Brighton
    13:52 (SO) London Waterloo
    14:10 (SO) London Waterloo
    14:20 (SX) London Waterloo
    14:35 Brockenhurst via Wimborne
    14:45 Bristol T.M. via S&DJR
    15:05 (SX) London Waterloo
    15:12 (SO) London Waterloo
    15:35 Bath Green Park
    16:30 Brockenhurst via Wimborne
    16:34 London Waterloo ("Bournemouth Belle")
    16:47 Salisbury via Wimborne
    17:05 London Waterloo
    17:18 Templecombe
    18:16 London Waterloo
    18:40 Bath Green Park
    18:44 Reading General
    18:50 Brockenhurst via Wimborne
    19:20 Blandford Forum
    19:51 Salisbury via Wimborne
    20:50 Wimborne (WSX) / West Moors (WSO)
    22:00 (SO) Templecombe
    23:20 Poole
     
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    Can I ask if both Porthcawl and Brecon can be checked to see if either of these qualifies.
     
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    Yes - Brecon was planned to come next, and Porthcawl should not be difficult. Also under consideration are Cheltenham Spa St. James / Malvern Road & Oswestry. Other branch line requests welcome, provided they are spread over several weeks.
     
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    Brecon, June 1954
    06:30 Moat Lane Jn
    06:50 Hereford
    07:35 Newport
    08:30 Neath Riverside
    10:32 Hereford
    10:52 Builth Road Low Level
    11:30 (SO) Neath Riverside
    12:15 Newport
    13:10 (SO) Hereford
    13:20 Most Lane Jn
    14:00 Newport
    16:15 (SX) Builth Wells
    17:05 Moat Lane Jn
    18:00 Hereford
    18:15 Newport
    18:20 Neath Riverside
    20:30 (SO) Maesycymmer
    21:35 (SO) Builth Wells

    Porthcawl, June 1954
    Most trains were shuttle trains to/from Pyle on the Cardiff /Swansea line. A few trains were extended beyond Pyle. A few trains to Swansea used a curve avoiding Pyle station.

    To Pyle: 07:18; 08:43; 10:15; 11:10; 12:00; 14:25; 16:10; 17:10; 17:57; 18:37; 19:30; 20:08;

    Others:
    07:55 Cardiff General
    08:35 Swansea High St.
    09:09 Tondu
    13:35 (SO) Swansea High St.
    14:00 (SO) Cardiff General
    18:28 Swansea High St.
    18:50 Newport
    19:40 Swansea High St.
    21:15 Bridgend
    21:58 Swansea High St.
     
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    Very interesting topic.

    Is it possible for Kingskerswell a small shack on the Newton Abbot-Kingswear Branch, I grew up in the Village, the platforms are stil visable through the undergrowth today. If not possible not to worry.
     
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    Kingskerswell, June 1960
    "Westbound"
    SX Timetable:

    Most trains are locals starting at Exeter St. Davids or Newton Abbot.
    07:06 Paignton
    07:38 Kingswear
    08:20 Paignton
    09:00 Kingswear
    09:55 Kingswear
    10:21 Kingswear
    11:05 Paignton
    12:45 Kingswear
    13:39 Kingswear
    16:02 Kingswear
    16:15 Paignton (from Cardiff)
    17:06 Kingswear (from Liverpool)
    17:25 Paignton
    17:32 Kingswear (from London Paddington)
    18:25 Kingswear (from Manchester)
    20:15 Paignton
    20:46 Kingswear

    Saturdays

    06:58 Paignton
    07:43 Kingswear
    08:10 Paignton (from Manchester)
    09:01 Kingswear
    09:50 Paignton
    10:37 Kingswear
    13:02 Kingswear (from Walsall)
    15:02 Kingswear (from Swansea)
    16:26 Paignton (from Wolverhampton L.L.)
    16:52 Kingswear (from Manchester)
    17:07 Paignton (from Liverpool)
    18:44 Kingswear (from Liverpool)
    20:15 Paignton
    20:47 Kingswear (from Manchester)

    "East /Northbound"
    SX Timetable:

    07:08 Bristol T.M.
    07:38 Exeter St. Davids
    07:57 London Paddington
    08:38 (FX) / 08:42 (FO) Manchester
    09:57 Exeter St. Davids
    11:03 Liverpool
    11:54 Cardiff
    12:54 Newton Abbot
    13:15 Exeter St. Davids
    13:53 Exeter St. Davids
    15:14 Taunton
    16:11 Newton Abbot
    17:13 Exeter St. Davids
    17:35 Taunton
    18:18 Exeter St. Davids
    19:16 Exeter St. Davids
    20:03 Exeter St. Davids
    20:49 Newton Abbot
    21:25 Exeter St. Davids

    Saturdays
    07:42 London Paddington
    09:25 Manchester
    12:56 Manchester
    16:13 Cardiff
    18:18 Taunton
    19:16 Exeter St. Davids
    19:34 Newton Abbot
    20:03 Exeter St. Davids
    20:49 Newton Abbot
    21:25 Exeter St. Davids

    Note the sparse east/northbound service in daytime on summer saturdays. I don't have a W.R. Winter timetable for that era, but I suspect the winter saturday services were similar to the SX services listed above.
     
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    Melton Constable seemed to be something of a rail transport hub until its closure in the 1960's so can I add that to the list.
     
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    Thank you Bevan, very interesting.

    Its interesting that it had a London Service, being the platforms were fairly small, would have that combined anywhere (Maybe at Newton Abbot?) also inbound from Walsall of all places.

    Thanks again!
     
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    The weekday train London train would have been a portion (off the 1.30pm?) - but it might well have run as a separate relief train at busy times. Ditto the Liverpool and Manchester. Trains divided at Exeter or Newton.
    The Saturday trains would mostly have been complete trains. I doubt if many local passengers would have risked them, though, as punctuality was notoriously bad in the down direction.
     
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    Melton Constable, October 1947
    06:36 Norwich City
    06:45 Holt
    07:05 London Liverpool Street via Cromer High
    07:17 Yarmouth Beach
    07:30 Peterborough North
    07:49 Norwich City (From Holt)
    08:39 Peterborough North
    08:40 Cromer Beach
    09:34 Yarmouth Beach (From Peterborough N)
    09:37 Norwich City
    10:28 Cromer Beach
    10:28 Leicester London Road (From Norwich, Cromer & Lowestoft)
    10:41 Norwich City
    11:45 Peterborough North
    12:30 (SO) Norwich City (From Holt)
    13:20 Yarmouth Beach (From Peterborough N)
    13:27 Cromer Beach
    13:32 Norwich City
    14:23 Peterborough North
    14:30 Cromer Beach
    15:47 Yarmouth Beach (From Peterborough N)
    15:55 (SX) Fakenham
    16:32 London Liverpool Street via Cromer High
    17:03 (SX) Holt
    17:04 (SX) Aylsham
    17:05 Norwich City
    18:28 Lowestoft via Yarmouth Beach (From Leicester)
    18:29 Cromer Beach (From Leicester)
    18:32 Norwich City (From Leicester)
    19:15 Yarmouth Beach (From Kings Lynn)
    19:25 Cromer Beach
    19:25 Norwich City
    20:07 (ThSO) Holt
    20:10 Kings Lynn
    23:31 (SO) Holt
    23:37 (SO) South Lynn

    No Sunday services.
    Journey times to/from Yarmouth were about 90 mins (all stations), 75-80 mins (semi-fast);
    Cromer Beach 35 mins; Norwich 50 mins (41 mins on the service from Leicester, which was semi-fast)
    Melton Constable had a small locomotive works for the M&GNR, but LNER took over all operations and loco overhauls from 1936.
    Most of the M&GNR system closed to passengers in February 1959 (before I got the chance to do the lines), but Sheringham to Melton Constable survived until 1964.
     
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    I have edited the original SX version to add the 07:57 to Paddington, which was accidentally omitted. This joined the 07:30 from Plymouth at Newton Abbot.
    The SX Manchester train attached to the 08:00 Plymouth - Liverpool & Glasgow at Newton Abbot.
    The SX Liverpool service attached to the 07:30 Penzance - Manchester.
    Normal procedure was for Newton Abbot station pilot to shunt one portion onto the rear of another. In 1960, they used a Class 03 or 08 shunter.

    On Saturdays, the two Manchester services ran as independent trains from Paignton. Many Saturday long distance services from Paignton or Kingswear did not call at Kingskerswell; indeed, some also omitted Newton Abbot, Exeter and even Bristol. The Devonian had no booked passenger stops between Newton Abbot and Gloucester Eastgate, although there was probably a stop to change locos in the Bristol area.

    Westbound, (SX) the 16:15 originated at Cardiff, and was combined with a portion for Plymouth as far as Newton Abbot.
    The (SX) Liverpool, Manchester & Paddington trains were similarly detached from services to Plymouth (or Penzance in the case of the 13:30 from Paddington)
    On Saturdays, westbound trains until 16:26 were all independent services; later long distance trains were portions detached at Newton Abbot.
    The Walsall service ran via Birmingham New St., and also picked up passengers at Barnt Green & Bromsgrove.
    No Saturday services from Paddington called at Kingskerswell; some also omitted Torre.
     
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    Cheltenham Spa (St. James), June 1954
    06:12 Gloucester Central
    06:15 Honeybourne
    06:35 Kingham
    06:45 Gloucester Central
    07:10 Gloucester Central / London Paddington via Swindon
    07:18 Gloucester Eastgate
    07:35 Honeybourne
    08:00 Gloucester Central / London Paddington via Swindon
    08:30 Gloucester Central
    08:39 (SX) Gloucester Central
    08:55 Gloucester Central / London Paddington via Swindon
    10:15 (SO) Gloucester Central
    10:30 Kingham
    10:45 (SX) Gloucester Central
    11:38(SX) /11:47 (SO) Honeybourne
    11:45 Gloucester Central / London Paddington via Swindon
    12:02 Kingham
    12:30 Gloucester Central
    13:12 (SO) Broadway
    13:38 (SX) /13:40 (SO) Gloucester Central
    14:05 (SO) /14:10 (SX) Gloucester Central
    14:25 (SO) /14:30 (SX) Honeybourne
    14:40 (SO) Gloucester Central
    14:45 Kingham
    15:00 (SX) Gloucester Central
    15:20 Gloucester Central
    16:00 Gloucester Central / London Paddington via Swindon
    16:25 Gloucester Central
    16:40 Honeybourne
    17:38 Gloucester Central
    17:45 Kingham
    18:10 Gloucester Central
    18:15 (SX) Honeybourne
    18:15 (SO) Broadway (Bus service)
    18:45 Gloucester Central
    19:00 (SO) Honeybourne
    19:10 Kingham
    19:48 Gloucester Central
    20:48 Gloucester Central
    22:05 Gloucester Central
    22:30 (SO) Broadway
    22:40 Gloucester Central
    Many (but not all) trains from St. James also called at Malvern Road. Trains towards Honeybourne needed to reverse at Malvern Road and may have been "auto trains" (push-pull).
    Some Kingham trains had connections to/from Oxford / London Paddington.

    Cheltenham Spa (Malvern Road) (Excluding trains to/from St. James), June 1954
    00:14 (SO) Penzance & Newquay
    00:50 (SO) Paignton (from Wolverhampton Low Level)
    08:16 (SO) Penzance (from Birmingham S.H.)
    08:46 (SO) Paignton (from Birmingham S.H.)
    09:04 (SO) Paignton (from Wolverhampton Low Level)
    09:45 (SO) Weston Super Mare (from Birmingham S.H.)
    10:07 (SX) Cardiff (from Birmingham S.H.)
    10:08 Birmingham Snow Hill (From Gloucester Central)
    10:42 (SO) (Birmingham S.H. – Pembroke Dock)
    11:02 (SO) Newquay & Penzance (from Birmingham S.H.)
    11:12 (SX) Penzance & Kingswear (from Wolverhampton Low Level) ("The Cornishman")
    12:15 (SO) Paignton (from Birmingham S.H.)
    12:25 (SO) Paignton (from Wolverhampton Low Level)
    12:42 Birmingham Snow Hill (from Swansea)
    12:44 (SO) Minehead & Ilfracombe (from Wolverhampton Low Level)
    14:12 (SX) /14:42 (SO) Gloucester Central (from Birmingham S.H.)
    15:08 (SO) Birmingham Snow Hill (Paignton – Wolverhampton L.L.)
    15:42 (SO) Birmingham Snow Hill (Penzance – Wolves)
    16:08 (SO) Birmingham Snow Hill (from Weston Super Mare)
    16:35 (SO) Birmingham Snow Hill (from Ilfracombe & Minehead)
    16:43 (SO) Birmingham Snow Hill (from Paignton)
    16:55 Swansea (from Birmingham S.H.)
    17:24 (SX) Birmingham Snow Hill ("The Cornishman") (Penzance & Kingswear – Wolves)
    17:35 (SO) Birmingham Snow Hill (from Paignton)
    17:45 (SO) Birmingham Snow Hill (Paignton – Wolves)
    18:00 (SO) Birmingham Snow Hill (Newquay – Wolves)
    18:30 (SO) Birmingham Snow Hill (Penzance – Wolves)
    18:50 (Cardiff – Birmingham Snow Hill)
    19:18 (SO) Birmingham Snow Hill (Paignton – Wolves)
    19:40 (SO) Birmingham Snow Hill (Paignton – Wolves)

    Cheltenham Spa (Lansdown) – M&SWJR Departures Only, June 1954.
    10:08 (SO) /10:11 (SX) Southampton Central & Southampton Terminus
    13:56 Southampton Central & Southampton Terminus
    17:25 Andover Jn

    M&SWJR = Midland & South Western Junction Railway

    It was an independent railway, built with some support from the Midland Railway (MR) & London & South Western Railway (LSWR) – but included in the Great Western Railway at the 1923 Grouping. Passenger services ceased in 1961. These services and Kingham services followed the same route as far as Andoversford Jn., then ran via Cirencester (Watermoor), Swindon Town, Marlborough to Andover Jn, continuing with running powers over LSWR via Andover Town to Romsey and Southampton Central
     
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    Have we covered Morecambe Euston Road and Lancaster Green Ayre stations yet?
     
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    Winchester Chesil 1956

    07:15 Reading General
    08:10 Didcot
    08:52 Southampton Terminus
    10:14 Southampton Terminus
    10:39 Newbury
    12:10 SO Southampton Terminus
    12:26 Didcot
    13:26 Eastleigh
    14:31 Didcot
    15:07 Southampton Terminus
    17:34 Didcot
    17:40 Southampton Terminus
    20:25 Southampton Terminus
     
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    Southampton Terminus 1956

    01:10 Postal and Passenger London Waterloo
    01:18 Postal and Passenger Weymouth
    01:23 Portsmouth & Southsea
    04:34 Southampton Docks - parcels
    05:15 Portsmouth & Southsea
    05:53 Totton
    06:02 Waterloo
    06:43 Eastleigh (not advertised)
    06:57 Portsmouth & Southsea
    07:27 Salisbury
    08:02 Portsmouth & Southsea
    08:33 Andover Junc
    09:36 Eastleigh
    10:10 Cheltenham Landsdown
    10:13 Reading Gen
    10:29 Bournemouth Central
    11:40 Eastleigh - parcels
    11:45 Didcot
    12:00 Romsey
    12:23 Portsmouth & Southsea
    12:31 Reading General
    13:23 Winchester City
    13:56 Didcot
    14:55 Eastleigh
    15:42 SO Fawley
    16:25 Eastleigh
    16:36 Cheltenham Landsdown
    16:56 Didcot
    17:05 SX Wimbourne
    17:15 SX Southampton Central
    17:23 Alton
    17:28 Portsmouth & Southsea
    17:38 SX Winchester City
    18:07 Bournemouth Central
    18:40 Portsmouth & Southsea
    18:58 Alton
    19:40 Winchester City/Alton
    20:20 Basingstoke - parcels
    20:25 SX Crewe SO Wolverhampton - parcels
    21:05 Eastleigh
    21:15 Q Basingstoke - parcels
    22:12 Eastleigh
    23:00 Waterloo - parcels
     
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    London Holborn Viaduct 1953 weekdays - London East District Services - quite a few overnight trains for those working in newspaper print works on Fleet St


    00:15 Orpington
    01:00 Bromley North
    01:20 Orpington
    01:51 Orpington
    03:00 Ramsgate News & Mails
    03:15 Orpington
    04:50 Orpington
    05:00 Sevenoaks
    05:28 Herne Hill
    05:51 Orpington
    06:00 Maidstone East
    06:11 Sevenoaks
    06:25 Orpington
    06:31 Sevenoaks
    06:46 Orpington
    06:51 Sevenoaks
    06:56 Margate
    07:04 Orpington
    07:11 Sevenoaks
    07:20 Dartford
    07:31 Sevenoaks
    07:41 Dartford
    07:44 Bickley
    07:49 Bickley
    07:51 Sevenoaks
    08:03 Slade Green
    08:05 Bellingham
    08:11 Swanley
    08:25 Dartford
    08:30 Sevenoaks
    08:42 Herne Hill
    08:44 Herne Hill
    08:48 Orpington
    08:57 Bickley
    09:00 Herne Hill
    09:04 Crystal Palace
    09:14 Herne Hill
    09:18 Herne Hill
    09:22 Herne Hill
    09:25 Crystal Palace
    09:30 Sevenoaks
    09:39 Herne Hill
    09:51 Sevenoaks
    10:11 Sevenoaks
    every 20 mins to Sevenoaks till
    15:31 Sevenoaks
    15:47 Orpington
    15:51 Sevenoaks
    16:04 Orpington
    16:11 Sevenoaks
    16:26 Orpington
    16:31 Sevenoaks
    16:40 Gillingham
    16:45 Bickley
    16:51 Sevenoaks
    17:00 Barnehurst
    17:04 Bickley
    17:11 Sevenoaks
    17:17 Orpington
    17:20 Dartford
    17:23 Dartford
    17:27 Orpington
    17:31 Sevenoaks
    17:38 Dartford
    17:42 Gillingham
    17:47 Orpington
    17:51 Sevenoaks
    17:57 Orpington
    18:01 Dartford
    18:04 Orpington
    18:11 Sevenoaks
    18:20 Dartford
    18:24 Gillingham
    18:27 Bickley
    18:31 Sevenoaks
    18:41 Dartford
    18:47 Orpington
    18:51 Sevenoaks
    18:57 Crystal Palace
    19:11 Sevenoaks
    then every 20 minutes till
    21:51 Sevenoaks
    22:31 Sevenoaks
    22:51 Sevenoaks
    23:26 Sevenoaks


    London Holborn Viaduct 1953 weekdays - London Central Services

    05:34 West Croydon
    every 20 minutes till
    07:34 West Croydon
    07:57 Wimbledon
    08:00 Wimbledon
    08:14 West Croydon
    approx every 20 mins till
    10:14 West Croydon
    10:29 Wimbledon
    10:39 West Croydon
    11:14 West Croydon
    11:39 West Croydon
    at same times past the hour till
    16:14 West Croydon
    every 20 minutes till
    19:14 West Croydon
    19:39 West Croydon
    at same times past the hour till
    22:39 West Croydon
    23:14 St Helier
    23:43 Wimbledon
    00:21 St Helier

    09:34, 18:34 and 20:14 terminated at Wallington
     

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