How should the world make China pay for Coronavirus?

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nidave

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Is this even serious?
Yes, more and more is coming out of China suggesting that at the very minimum, the CCP have been covering up. This keeps on happening, disease after disease pop up out of China, dating back to the Black Death, something needs to change to make sure this doesn't happen again...
 

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Yes, more and more is coming out of China suggesting that at the very minimum, the CCP have been covering up. This keeps on happening, disease after disease pop up out of China, dating back to the Black Death, something needs to change to make sure this doesn't happen again...
I suspect you are not an expert on world economics.............
 

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Who says i am? I'm just asking a question...
But trying to punish one of the largest(and growing) economic powerhouses for some they might not have been able to do anything about isn't going to work.

Many things we use every day are made in China and that isn't going to change anytime soon.
 

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Certainly all Western countries should at some stage join Australia's call for a full and independant investigation into the circumstances surrounding the emergence of the virus. Beijing has been strenuously resisting this.
 

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Sadly, a number of countries have elected very divisive people to high office. Perhaps "the world" will be able to do something about your concerns once some of them have left the international stage.
 

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There are divisive people and divisive issues, however all countries have a pressing interest to get to the bottom of this issue.
 

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Yes, more and more is coming out of China suggesting that at the very minimum, the CCP have been covering up. This keeps on happening, disease after disease pop up out of China, dating back to the Black Death, something needs to change to make sure this doesn't happen again...
Are you suggesting that there's something deliberate about all this, starting with the Black Death, and that the later cases could have been prevented had action been taken earlier?

Quite possibly the Chinese Communist Party has been covering up something. Depends what that something is whether anything can be done about it.

If the virus did indeed originate in bats, and crossed over into humans, there isn't much that can prevent such things happening again.

I think your position is unrealistic, and that's putting it mildly.
 

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Last time a major nation was made a scapegoat for a global castastrophe did not end well for the whole world 20 years later so be very careful what you wish for!
 

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Tariffs? Sanctions? Maybe by replacing China with Taiwan at the U.N?
Has the USA been made to pay for their lack of regulation in the subprime mortgage market causing the 2007-8 financial crisis? What about Iceland's lack of volcano monitoring and warning over the 2011 volcanic ash incident that shut down much of commercial aviation? Just because something originated in a certain country, doesn't mean that their government is liable for all it's consequences, or even if they were, that they would pay up.

China has suffered a great deal from the virus too, so I am sure they will be taking all possible steps to prevent something similar happening again in the future. Even if the Chinese authorities were slow at disclosing events to other nations, how do you think that the UK government for example would have reacted differently had we been told about the new virus any sooner than we were?
 

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There are divisive people and divisive issues, however all countries have a pressing interest to get to the bottom of this issue.
I think countries each have to work out what they do in response to the disease. I don't see how trying to "make China pay" will prevent anyone from becoming infected, or reduce the amount of suffering which results from this. It can wait.

Leaving "the world" to one side, the UK will do nothing now. It needs China's help now, and the government will start trying to discuss a trade deal with them soon enough.
 

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I think countries each have to work out what they do in response to the disease. I don't see how trying to "make China pay" will prevent anyone from becoming infected, or reduce the amount of suffering which results from this. It can wait.

Leaving "the world" to one side, the UK will do nothing now. It needs China's help now, and the government will start trying to discuss a trade deal with them soon enough.
As I say in my post, we do need an independant investiation into the origins of the virus. I don't know if that counts as "making China pay" but Beijing certainly doesn't seem to want it.
 

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I think it would be wrong to punish China as already mentioned blaming Germany for World War One did not work out too well, to put it mildly. But I do think since it seems the virus originated in a live animal wet market, which also appeared to be the case with SARS nearly 20 years ago, I think it is reasonable to ask questions on why China let these wet markets continue.
 

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I think we’d seriously need some substantial evidence first to prove it was China before we do anything like that
Well seeing as China deliberately tried to cover up the virus outbreak, I feel it's only fair that they are held solely responsible for the outbreak.

Indeed when the doctor who first discovered it had tried to warn his fellow medical professionals, the first reaction of China was to not to ask for assistance from the worldwide community and potentially carry out actions to contain the virus but to send police around and force him to sign a document accusing him of spreading lies and disturbing the social order.


The fact that the worldwide community offered their assistance THREE times which was refused by China before China decided to accept the help is not the sign of a helpless country.


Even going as far as blaming the US for a virus outbreak that their OWN doctors tried to warn them about.


As to the economy, well it might have escaped some people's notice but there is a country called Taiwan near China and I'm sure they be only too happy to agree to trade deals in return for official recognition in the international community.

China needs the world more then we need it because there's other countries who would be happy to produce the goods we need.

The very least that China should do is offer a public apology not only to its doctors that it silenced but to the world for
 

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It's only a couple of weeks ago that the OP created another thread and questioned why the Japanese hadn't been sanctioned/punished for World War 2. Today it's the Chinese, it makes me wonder which Asian nation will be the subject of their next thread......
 

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I don't think there's much that can or should be done on an international scale. The Chinese economy is simply too powerful and they have too much influence over global affairs for anyone to do anything more than a slap on the wrist.

But on a personal level, I'll be making a conscious effort going forward to avoid buying anything made in China, difficult though that is. Obviously there's essentially nothing any one person can do, but if enough people start to boycott Chinese products, it might have a small impact.
 

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It's only a couple of weeks ago that the OP created another thread and questioned why the Japanese hadn't been sanctioned/punished for World War 2. Today it's the Chinese, it makes me wonder which Asian nation will be the subject of their next thread......
I do have an interest in Asian affairs, but not for any nefarious reasons (my father is from Singapore)
 

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Setting aside arguments about "making China pay" for a moment, the economic power that China has amassed is undoubtedly a problem and to a large extent it has us, and most Western countries over a barrel. My views on outsoucing manufacturing are well rehearsed on here, but if we must rely on cheap imports from abroad for some things, is there not a good argument for our own sake, for making a real effort to diversify our import base ? there must be lots of other countries with lower costs that can manufacture goods.
 

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If the US and other nations carry out their threat to bring certain essential supply chains such as PPE and pharmaceuticals and other stuff back to their respective countries that will punish China enough.
 

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As I say in my post, we do need an independant investiation into the origins of the virus. I don't know if that counts as "making China pay" but Beijing certainly doesn't seem to want it.
Scientists seem to know quite a lot about how the outbreak started as it is, and research is continuing today. What benefit do you think an "independent investigation" would bring?
 

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Scientists seem to know quite a lot about how the outbreak started as it is, and research is continuing today. What benefit do you think an "independent investigation" would bring?
Any element of reasonable doubt about the viruses origins will make it easier for China to procrastinate in removing the circumstances that enabled it to jump species to humans in the first place.

The real question should be, why would anyone not want to know the full circumstances of the emergence of the virus ?
 

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Well seeing as China deliberately tried to cover up the virus outbreak, I feel it's only fair that they are held solely responsible for the outbreak.
Well, shall we blame the US for the ills of globalisation, or ourselves for the slave trade and the evils of colonialism?
There's plenty to do to clear up our own mess of virus mis-management before blaming others.
Our archives are full of the government denying things which later turn out to be true.
In WW1 we suppressed information about the flu pandemic as it "would have damaged morale".
 
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Surely to early to point any fingers at nations over this. All energy needs to used to find a vaccine, which is no easy task due to the speed at which this virus can mutate.
 

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As a global supplier, China will already be paying heavily due to reduced global economic activity.

I don't consider that "paying a price" comes into it, but the conduct and occurrence needs to be examined, and there may be something to be said for reducing our dependence on them as suppliers, both out of self preservation and potentially in requiring change.

However, the potential of their "customers" doing just that might give some insight into why they've been spending so much time and attention on building binding relationships with African nations, from where so much valuable raw materials originate.
 
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