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This is my first post on the forum, so apologies if it is in the wrong sub-forum, but was there ever any thought given to a link between hs2 and the Coventry - Royal Lemington spa line. I would assume that it would cut London Coventry times to about 40 minutes and would mitigate the slowing of existing services. Furthermore, could the line from Coventry to Leicester have been electrified and upgraded so that Leicester could also be served.
 
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This is my first post on the forum, so apologies if it is in the wrong sub-forum, but was there ever any thought given to a link between hs2 and the Coventry - Royal Lemington spa line. I would assume that it would cut London Coventry times to about 40 minutes and would mitigate the slowing of existing services. Furthermore, could the line from Coventry to Leicester have been electrified and upgraded so that Leicester could also be served.
The problem with a proposal that sees Coventry get its own HS2 services is what happens to the train afterwards. Running the trains on the existing line to Leicester won't be much quicker the route from St Pancras. Birmingham is served by its own HS2 services so how is the capacity justified?
 

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Surely Coventry is big enough to justify 1 or 2 fast trains on its own. I would expect the line from coventry to leicester to take 20 minutes or so, but i really have no idea, which make the route slightly shorter than the existing fastest one while also relieving the midland mainline of the multiple paths it will take up. Which would give bedford, kettering... the possibility of a more frequent service.
 

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Surely Coventry is big enough to justify 1 or 2 fast trains on its own. I would expect the line from coventry to leicester to take 20 minutes or so, but i really have no idea, which make the route slightly shorter than the existing fastest one while also relieving the midland mainline of the multiple paths it will take up. Which would give bedford, kettering... the possibility of a more frequent service.
It was never considered and it would be a pretty substantial chord considering how low HS2 is to the Cov to Leamington line. There is also the issue that there is no direct link from Coventry to Leicester at Nuneaton.
 

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It was never considered and it would be a pretty substantial chord considering how low HS2 is to the Cov to Leamington line. There is also the issue that there is no direct link from Coventry to Leicester at Nuneaton.
Thats interesting, they didn't even draw a couple lines on a map to explore it. If they had wanted too, would it have been possible to reroute HS2 to give a cheaper profile for the chord? The nuneaton issue is rather small in comparison to the scope of HS2.
 
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Thats interesting, they didn't even draw a couple lines on a map to explore it. If they had wanted too, would it have been possible to reroute HS2 to give a cheaper profile for the chord? The nuneaton issue is rather small in comparison to the scope of HS2.
That is putting the cart before the horse, changing the route of a high speed line to allow this would likely change the route for 5 miles either side. It would have to be grade seperated on HS2 for a start. There isn't even a defined solution for Coventry to Leicester direct services for normal traffic, let alone the complete rebuild required to get Spon End above 20mph and the rest up from 45mph to Nuneaton.
 

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That is putting the cart before the horse, changing the route of a high speed line to allow this would likely change the route for 5 miles either side. It would have to be grade seperated on HS2 for a start. There isn't even a defined solution for Coventry to Leicester direct services for normal traffic, let alone the complete rebuild required to get Spon End above 20mph and the rest up from 45mph to Nuneaton.
That makes sense, the line it would take is rather bendy - spon end is by the station so i assume it wouldn't affect journey time that much. I wasn't insinuating that the the people behind HS2 were wrong, just curious about there decision making process.
 

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That is putting the cart before the horse, changing the route of a high speed line to allow this would likely change the route for 5 miles either side. It would have to be grade seperated on HS2 for a start. There isn't even a defined solution for Coventry to Leicester direct services for normal traffic, let alone the complete rebuild required to get Spon End above 20mph and the rest up from 45mph to Nuneaton.
That makes sense, the line it would take is rather bendy - spon end is by the station so i assume it wouldn't affect journey time that much. I wasn't insinuating that the the people behind HS2 were wrong, just curious about there decision making process.

You also need to decide which of the planned 18 HS2 paths per hour to/from Euston should be jettisoned to make way for a Coventry path.
 

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You also need to decide which of the planned 18 HS2 paths per hour to/from Euston should be jettisoned to make way for a Coventry path.
There are only 17 paths per hour in the example timetable, while there is an extra one for future expansion which could be used for Coventry.
 

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There are only 17 paths per hour in the example timetable, while there is an extra one for future expansion which could be used for Coventry.
Yes, but is 1tph really worthwhile to a destination like Coventry when a lot of the potential traffic could either still use the WCML or go to Birmingham Interchange. 1tph is not the sort of traffic you build sustantial dedicated infrastructure for.
 

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Coventry will be served by Birmingham Interchange. Benefits of hs2 will allow an additional XCountry service to stop at Coventry. It’s too late to change phase 1 anyway
To be fair, there is/was an infrastructure solution to get both XC via Coventry, you don't need HS2 to do it.
 

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Yes, but is 1tph really worthwhile to a destination like Coventry when a lot of the potential traffic could either still use the WCML or go to Birmingham Interchange. 1tph is not the sort of traffic you build sustantial dedicated infrastructure for.
I guess you could take over one of the newcastle paths as well, given that a turn up and go frequency is less important.
Coventry will be served by Birmingham Interchange. Benefits of hs2 will allow an additional XCountry service to stop at Coventry. It’s too late to change phase 1 anyway
Parkway stations are good for people leaving a place but not good for heading into the city centre. So there would be more economic development in Coventry if a city centre station was built instead.
 

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I guess you could take over one of the newcastle paths as well, given that a turn up and go frequency is less important.

The 2tph to Newcastle will no doubt have a £££ benefit associated with it in the HS2 economic case.
 

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The 2tph to Newcastle will no doubt have a £££ benefit associated with it in the HS2 economic case.
Totally, looking at it i can't see any service that i would replace with one for Coventry although i feel Coventry would justify one if capacity on HS2 was not limited. There's a reason the designers didn't do this after all.
 

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I agree.

If you stand at Coventry Station and observe the number of passengers boarding and alighting trains to and from Euston, it's never more than a couple of dozen at most per train, and sometimes only a handful, from a service of three trains an hour most of the day, figures which over the course of a day is a large volume of passenger trips, several thousand a day, and over the course of a year amounts to, based on the most recent figures I saw (pre -Covid passenger levels), around one million passenger trips a year to/from Euston but still, therefore, nowhere near enough to fill two or even one HS2 train an hour solely to serve Coventry, unless it was a very short HS2 train.

I doubt very much whether a 20 minute journey time saving from the current one hour down to 40 minutes would alter the position significantly.
 
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I agree.

If you stand at Coventry Station and observe the number of passengers boarding and alighting trains to and from Euston, it's never more than a couple of dozen at most per train, and sometimes only a handful, from a service of three trains an hour most of the day, figures which over the course of a day is a large volume of passenger trips, several thousand a day, and over the course of a year amounts to, based on the most recent figures I saw (pre -Covid passenger levels), around one million passenger trips a year to/from Euston but still, therefore, nowhere near enough to fill two or even one HS2 train an hour solely to serve Coventry, unless it was a very short HS2 train.

I doubt very much whether a 20 minute journey time saving from the current one hour down to 40 minutes would alter the position significantly.

A high speed 153 maybe ? (said tongue in cheek)
 

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Coventry will be served by Birmingham Interchange. Benefits of hs2 will allow an additional XCountry service to stop at Coventry. It’s too late to change phase 1 anyway
It's not very convenient unless you're driving to Interchange though. Hopefully the tram line from Coventry to Interchange goes ahead.
 

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It's not very convenient unless you're driving to Interchange though. Hopefully the tram line from Coventry to Interchange goes ahead.

Is the tram going to be much better than getting the existing trainline to International and the people mover across to Interchange? There should be more frequent services between the two once HS2 has cleared off the expresses whizzing through, though we’ll have to see how many are nonstop between Coventry and International.
 

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Is the tram going to be much better than getting the existing trainline to International and the people mover across to Interchange? There should be more frequent services between the two once HS2 has cleared off the expresses whizzing through, though we’ll have to see how many are nonstop between Coventry and International.
If your coming from Coventry city centre you probably will be better of just taking the classic lines down to london, since the total time will be similar and there is an extra change involved with HS2. I assume the tram would take a more northerly route, along the A45 and A4114, where it will serve different suburbs to the trainline. Given how rural the area is between coventry and the airport there would probably be only two stops (Meridian and Milisons wood) so i dont think it would be slow enough to make taking the train worthwhile. This is ignoring the fact 90% of people will drive though.
 
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