HST at Bridlington in 1991

[IanXC]

Wonder if anyone has any info or recollection of this?

hst bridlington

Hst bridlington 27 july 1991

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It's been suggested to me that this service was likely a Summer only service from Hull to Edinburgh, that perhaps only operated in 1991.

Any info gratefully received!

 

[hexagon789]

Wonder if anyone has any info or recollection of this?

hst bridlington

Hst bridlington 27 july 1991

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It's been suggested to me that this service was likely a Summer only service from Hull to Edinburgh, that perhaps only operated in 1991.

Any info gratefully received!

Could be an ammendment of the summer only HST service that ran from Glasgow in the 1980s

 

[Harvester]

Could be an ammendment of the summer only HST service that ran from Glasgow in the 1980s

Yes I think it was an extension of the Glasgow - Scarborough service that ran on summer Saturdays.

 

[hexagon789]

Yes I think it was an extension of the Glasgow - Scarborough service that ran on summer Saturdays.

That's what I was thinking and it would have to run via Edinburgh anyway.

 

[IanXC]

So seems the general consensus is it's a Scotland *to* Hull service rather than vice versa then?

 

[Harpers Tate]

If it's anything like the 80s service it ran Scotland to Hull and back via the same route. It was IIRC intended primarily for Scots to holiday in Bridlington and Scarborough.

 

[hexagon789]

So seems the general consensus is it's a Scotland *to* Hull service rather than vice versa then?

I notice the comments on the photo suggest a King's X-Scarborough-Bridlington-Hull-King's X circular route rather than a working from Scotland.

I don't have a 1991 timetable, but I have Summer 1990. I'll be able to have a look later and see of I can find anything.

 

[Harvester]

I have done a bit of digging, and found some more information. A summer Saturday return Glasgow-Scarborough HST service was introduced in 1986, leaving Glasgow at 08.25 and returning from Scarborough at 13.47, with a reversal at York in both directions.

In 1991 as an experiment, it was extended through to Hull. This meant that the HST could not perform the afternoon return leg, so it was used on a working from Hull to Kings Cross. The northbound working to Glasgow was performed by a HST that had worked from Kings Cross to Hull. The experiment was not repeated the following year or later years.

 

[hexagon789]

I have done a bit of digging, and found some more information. A summer Saturday return Glasgow-Scarborough HST service was introduced in 1986, leaving Glasgow at 08.25 and returning from Scarborough at 13.47, with a reversal at York in both directions.

In 1991 as an experiment, it was extended through to Hull. This meant that the HST could not perform the afternoon return leg, so it was used on a working from Hull to Kings Cross. The northbound working to Glasgow was performed by a HST that had worked from Kings Cross to Hull. The experiment was not repeated the following year or later years.

Wouldn't have found it then, don't have 1991.

Interesting that they trialled such a routing as an experiment, I can understand a Glasgow-Scarborough working, that existed prior to the HST service as a loco-hauled Mk1 affair but Hull seems a bit less likely to attract Glaswegians if I do say so myself!

 

[Harvester]

Wouldn't have found it then, don't have 1991.

Interesting that they trialled such a routing as an experiment, I can understand a Glasgow-Scarborough working, that existed prior to the HST service as a loco-hauled Mk1 affair but Hull seems a bit less likely to attract Glaswegians if I do say so myself!

Going back to the early sixties the Glaswegians had quite a few summer Saturday through trains to Scarborough. Their routing (to avoid York) was torturous; via Pilmoor, Gilling, and by means of a double reversal, onto the York Scarborough line at Malton. This came to an end in 1963 when after a freight derailment, the junction at Pilmoor was relaid with straight track. The trains that summer were still steam hauled, so all would have needed a loco change on reversal at York.

 

[hexagon789]

Going back to the early sixties the Glaswegians had quite a few summer Saturday through trains to Scarborough. Their routing (to avoid York) was torturous; via Pilmoor, Gilling, and by means of a double reversal, onto the York Scarborough line at Malton. This came to an end in 1963 when after a freight derailment, the junction at Pilmoor was relaid with straight track. The trains that summer were still steam hauled, so all would have needed a loco change on reversal at York.

Why did they make efforts in routing them to avoid York?

 

[Harvester]

Why did they make efforts in routing them to avoid York?

To ease congestion at York, and the use of one engine, rather than the two that would have been necessary in steam days on reversal at York.

 

[hexagon789]

To ease congestion at York, and the use of one engine, rather than the two that would have been necessary in steam days on reversal at York.

Oh right, I thought it was something else. Congestion would definitely make sense and I can understand wanting to save a loco by having one run the train throughout, though was there no shorter route available?

 

[DarloRich]

IRC - in the early 80's there was a Glasgow/Edinburgh > Scarborough and a Scarborough > Hull > Sheffield (?) service. Both were loco hauled on a Saturday. Perhaps this service is the joining of both of those to get the HST home?

 

[hexagon789]

IRC - in the early 80's there was a Glasgow/Edinburgh > Scarborough and a Scarborough > Hull > Sheffield (?) service. Both were loco hauled on a Saturday. Perhaps this service is the joining of both of those to get the HST home?

Quite possibly, the HST service from Queen Street dates from about 1986 - so could well be how they worked the service after loco-haulage ended

 

[mike57]

If you are happy for me to share your photo there is a local Facebook group that may be able to shed more light on it

 

[Harvester]

Oh right, I thought it was something else. Congestion would definitely make sense and I can understand wanting to save a loco by having one run the train throughout, though was there no shorter route available?

That was the only route, for trains on the ECML (north of Thirsk) to access the York-Scarborough line (near Malton), by avoiding York.

 

[MichaelAMW]

Times:

Glasgow C.....1000..............1424
Motherwell.....1015.............1402
Edinburgh......1057..............1322
Berwick.............................1228
Newcastle.....1227..............1142
Scarborough..1420/1436.......0922/0945
Filey.............1450..............0906
Bridlington.....1516..............0845
Hull..............1552..............0808

SO 8 July to 31 August

To ease congestion at York, and the use of one engine, rather than the two that would have been necessary in steam days on reversal at York.

You could avoid reversing at York by taking the avoiding line at Skelton Junction and then going round the back of the station on the Scarborough Goods - although maybe passenger trains couldn't be allowed there.

 

[hexagon789]

That was the only route, for trains on the ECML (north of Thirsk) to access the York-Scarborough line (near Malton), by avoiding York.

Okay, as you can gather I'm not very familiar with the arrangements of the railway lines around the area

 

[IanXC]

Thanks for all the really interesting information, definitely cleared up how this picture came about!