HST GTi Castle /Classic Diagrams, Workings

Discussion in 'Allocations, Diagrams & Timetables' started by RichardTBC, 28 May 2019.

  1. RichardTBC

    RichardTBC New Member

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    So a “Classic” HST has stepped in for an IET. How far has Harry Patch made it thus far?
     
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  3. Railperf

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    Workings appear to be slightly different from the diagrams posted in the frequently requested thread

    An additional working - 12:15 Plymouth to penzance noted as a 4-car HST yesterday. According to RTT starts at Laira, works the 12:15 to Penzance, then the 16:11 return to Plymouth and back to Laira

    The 14:50 Newton Abbot to Plymouth does indeed run through to Penzance. and then forms the 19:15 back to Plymouth - then to Laira.

    The 15:56 Plymouth to Penzance supposedly off the former diagram is still an HST - so appears to be on a third diagram - i have worked out that diagram below.

    The 16:45 Plymouth to Penzance arriving 18:44 is also a 4-car HST. So you end up with 3 Castle HST's at Penzance at that moment before the 18:45 departs to Plymouth. The 18:44 arrival gets shunted into Long Rock.

    A third diagram appears to start from Long Rock, Penzance 7:30 to Ply 9:20, 10:46 Ply to Penzance 12:47, Penzance 13;25 to Plymouth 15:17, Plymouth 15:56 to Penzance 18:04, Penzance 18:45 to Plymouth 20:37 then to Laira
     
  4. PHILIPE

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    The allocations themselves for a typical day last week were:-

    GWR 2+4 for 22/05/19. These alloctions could change

    ‎43088+LA23+43122 ‎

    ‎5D01 0524 SPM – Bristol Temple Meads
    ‎2D01 0600 Bristol Temple Meads to Bristol Parkway
    2C43 0624 Bristol Parkway to Penzance
    2A86 1141 Penzance to Newton Abbot
    2P90 1450 Newton Abbot to Plymouth
    2C48 1556 Plymouth to Penzance
    2P95 1914 Penzance to Plymouth ‎
    5P95 2141 Plymouth - Laira‎‎

    ‎43042+LA21+43063‎

    3D02 0440 LA – Exeter St Davids‎
    2D02 0600 Exeter St Davids – Bristol Parkway‎
    2C65 0812 Bristol Parkway – Taunton
    2W08 0937 Taunton - Weston Super Mare
    5U14 1010 Weston Super Mare – Taunton‎
    2U14 1100 Taunton - Cardiff‎
    5C79 1330 Cardiff - Cardiff‎
    2C79 1400 Cardiff - Taunton‎
    2U24 1608 Taunton - Cardiff
    5C89 1819 Cardiff - Cardiff
    2C89 1900 Cardiff - Taunton‎
    5C89 2110 Taunton - SPM‎‎‎

    43022+LA24+43156 ‎

    5Y04 0608 SPM – Bristol Temple Meads‎
    2Y04 0648 Bristol Temple Meads – Weston Super Mare‎
    2U06 0736 Weston Super Mare – Cardiff‎
    5C71 0929 Cardiff – Cardiff
    2C71 1000 Cardiff – Taunton
    2U16 1204 Taunton – Cardiff‎
    5C81 1418 Cardiff – Cardiff‎
    2C81 1500 Cardiff - Taunton
    2U26 1706 Taunton - Cardiff‎
    5C91 1922 Cardiff - Cardiff‎
    2C91 2000 Cardiff - Taunton‎
    2M76 2245 Taunton - Bristol Temple Meads
    5M76 0023 Bristol Temple – SPM‎‎


    ‎43041+LA25+43189‎

    3Z90 0943 St Philips Marsh HSRD - Camarthen
    3Z91 1315 Carmarthen - Swansea
    3Z92 1505 Swansea - Camarthen
    3Z93‎ 1615 Camarthen - St Philips Marsh HSTD


    ‎43002+LA72+43198‎

    3Z50 0807 Laira - Penzance‎
    3Z51‎ 1125 Penzance - Plymouth
    3Z52 1434 Plymouth - Penzance‎
    3Z53 1727 Pezance - Laira‎

    ‎43005+LA22+43153‎

    ‎5U08 0728 St Philips Marsh to Weston Super Mare
    2U08 0841 Weston Super Mare to Cardiff Central
    ‎5C73 1021 Cardiff - Cardiff‎
    2C73 1100 Cardiff Central to Taunton
    2U18 1308 Taunton to Cardiff Central
    ‎5C83 1532 Cardiff – Cardiff
    2C83 1600 Cardiff Central to Taunton
    2U28 1808 Taunton to Cardiff Central
    ‎5C34 2029 Cardiff - Cardiff‎
    2C34 2100 Cardiff Central to Bristol Temple Meads ‎‎
    5C34 2201 Bristol Temple Meads - SPM‎‎


    43092+GW01+43186‎


    5E12 0530 Penzance SDG – Penzance‎
    2E12 0600 Penzance – Exeter St Davids‎
    2C45 0926 Exeter St Davids – Penzance‎
    2A85 1257 Penzance – Newton Abbot
    2P49 1555 Newton Abbot – Pymouth‎
    2C51 1755 Plymouth – Penzance‎
    2P96 2018 Penzance – Plymouth‎
    2C54 2242 Plymouth - Penzance


    ‎43016+GW02+43040‎


    5C82 0822 Laira - Plymouth‎
    2C82 0900 Plymouth - Penzance‎
    2E63‎ 1112 Penzance - Exeter St Davids
    2P87 1455 Exeter St Davids - Plymouth‎
    2C88 1645 Plymouth - Penzance
    2P95 1915 Penzance - Plymouth
    5P95 2125 Plymouth - Laira‎

    ‎43170+GW04+43187‎

    5P60 ‎0655 Penzance TRSMD - Penzance
    2P60 0730 Penzance - Plymouth
    ‎‎2C83‎ 1046 Plymouth - Penzance‎
    2P63 1325 Penzance - Plymouth‎
    2C48 1556 Plymouth - Penzance‎
    2P70‎ 1845 Penzance - Plymouth
    5P70 2100 Plymouth - Laira



    ‎43093+GW03+43154‎

    5C84 1145 Laira - Plymouth
    2C84 1215 Plymouth - Penzance
    2P65 1611 Penzance - Plymouth
    5P65 1810 Plymouth - Laira‎


    The diagrams haven't been updated to reflect the May Timetable especially so far as Cornwall is concerned. Members are unable to update the thread themselves as it has been locked. They were updated by a person who has now given up so it seems to be hit and miss now,
     
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  5. Railperf

    Railperf Established Member

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    Are the 3zxx driver training runs?
     
  6. nat67

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    Yes they are and also guard training.
     
  7. AnthonyRail

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    Do the Castles run on Saturdays?
     
  8. PHILIPE

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    These were operating last Saturday


    43161+LA23+43171

    2Y02 0645 Bristol Temple Meads - Weston Super Mare‎
    2U06 ‎0735 Weston Super Mare - Cardiff Central
    2C71 ‎1000 Cardiff Central - Taunton
    2U16 ‎1207 Taunton - Cardiff Central
    2C81 ‎1500 Cardiff Central - Taunton
    2U26 1706 Taunton - Cardiff Central‎
    2C91‎ 1954 Cardiff Central - Bristol Temple Meads
    5C91 2117 Bristol Temple Meads - SPM‎

    43022+LA24+43156‎

    5U04 0645 St Philips Marsh to Bristol Temple Meads
    2U04 0723 Bristol Temple Meads to Cardiff Central
    5C69 0832 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central
    2C69 0900 Cardiff Central to Taunton
    2U14 1104 Taunton to Cardiff Central
    5C79 1336 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central
    2C79 1400 Cardiff Central to Taunton
    2U24 1607 Taunton to Cardiff Central
    5C89 1824 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central
    2C89 1900 Cardiff Central to Taunton
    5M72 2058 Taunton to Taunton
    2M72 2135 Taunton to Bristol Temple Meads
    5M72 2258 Bristol Temple Meads to St Philips Marsh

    43016+GW02+43040

    2C40 0610 Par - Penzance‎
    2P83 ‎0739 Penzance - Plymouth
    2C44 0950 Plymouth - Penzance‎
    2P63 1240 Penzance - Plymouth‎
    2C48 ‎1550 Plymouth - Penzance
    2P68 1832 Penzance - Plymouth
    5P68 2030 Plymouth - Laira‎

    43092+GW01+43186

    5E75 1155 Laira - Plymouth‎
    2E75 1232 Plymouth - Exeter St Davids‎
    2C51 1750 Exeter St Davids - Penzance‎

    43170+GW04+4318‎7

    2P79 0540 Penzance - Plymouth‎
    2E87 0808 Plymouth - Exeter St Davids‎
    2N04 0934 Exeter St Davids - Newquay‎
    2A99 ‎1322 Newquay - Newton Abbot
    2P81 ‎1623 Newton Abbot - Plymouth
    2E47 1736 Plymouth - Exeter St Davids‎
    5M47‎ 1904 Exeter St Davids - SPM


    43002+LA72+4319‎8

    2P42 ‎05.24 Bristol - Plymouth ‎
    2C54 ‎11.48 Plymouth - Penzance ‎
    2P64 ‎14.30 Penzance - Plymouth ‎
    5P64 1640 Plymouth to Laira T.& R.S.M.D.‎
     
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  9. AnthonyRail

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    RTT shows my train as 150 to Penzance 2moro (Sunday), hoping a Castle turns up
     
  10. PHILIPE

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    Which train ? RTT does not show what is booked to work a train.
     
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    RTT shows what the train is timed as not what will turn up. Currently all GWR local services are timed at 75mph max (15x) irrespective of if it is normally a HST or not.
     
  12. yorkie

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    It doesn't; open data websites such as OTT and RTT do not (currently) show the allocated traction. What you are looking at is just a timing load.
     
  13. SWTrainspottin

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    Summer timetable - Monday to Friday

    Castle sets

    2E12 0600 Penzance - Exeter St Davids
    2C45 0926 Exeter St Davids - Penzance
    2A85 1256 Penzance - Newton Abbot
    2P49 1555 Newton Abbot - Plymouth
    2P96 2018 Penzance - Plymouth
    2C54 2242 Plymouth - Penzance (FX)

    2C82 0900 Plymouth - Penzance
    2E63 1112 Penzance - Exeter St Davids
    2P87 1455 Exeter St Davids - Plymouth
    2C88 1645 Plymouth - Penzance

    2C84 1215 Plymouth - Penzance
    2P65 1611 Penzance - Plymouth

    2P60 0730 Penzance - Plymouth
    2C83 1046 Plymouth - Penzance
    2P63 1325 Penzance - Plymouth
    2C48 1556 Plymouth - Penzance
    2P70 1845 Penzance - Plymouth

    Classic sets

    2C43 0643 Bristol Temple Meads - Penzance
    2A86 1141 Penzance - Newton Abbot
    2C86 1450 Newton Abbot - Penzance
    2P95 1915 Penzance - Plymouth

    2D02 0600 Exeter St Davids - Bristol Parkway
    2C65 0812 Bristol Parkway - Taunton
    2W08 0937 Taunton - Weston-super-Mare
    5U14 1012 Weston-super-Mare - Taunton (ECS)
    2U14 1104 Taunton - Cardiff Central
    2C79 1400 Cardiff Central - Taunton
    2U24 1607 Taunton - Cardiff Central
    2C89 1900 Cardiff Central - Taunton

    2Y04 0648 Bristol Temple Meads - Weston-super-Mare
    2U06 0737 Weston-super-Mare - Cardiff Central
    2C71 1000 Cardiff Central - Taunton
    2U16 1204 Taunton - Cardiff Central
    2C81 1500 Cardiff Central - Taunton
    2U26 1706 Taunton - Cardiff Central
    2C91 2000 Cardiff Central - Taunton
    2M76 2245 Taunton - Bristol Temple Meads

    2U08 0841 Weston-super-Mare - Cardiff Central
    2C73 1100 Cardiff Central - Taunton
    2U18 1308 Taunton - Cardiff Central
    2C83 1600 Cardiff Central - Taunton
    2U28 1808 Taunton - Cardiff Central
    2C34 2100 Cardiff Central - Bristol Temple Meads
     
  14. judethegreat

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    Cheers. Sorry though - what's the difference between Castle and Classic?

    In prep for services to Carmarthen?
     
  15. PHILIPE

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    No. There are no short HSTs to Carmarthen. They are for Swansea crews to train as here:-

    www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gwr-to-operate-short-hstgti-sets.145727/page-46 Post #1372

    Castle sets have been converted to plug doors and Classics are those with Slam Doors which are gradually being converted to Castles.
     
  16. judethegreat

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    Aye, cheers :) Thought so on both but wasn't sure..
     
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    You don't happen to know what the Saturday diagrams are do you?
     
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    Go back to Post #7
     
  19. SWTrainspottin

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    I'll post them for reference too. Weekend diagrams.

    Summer timetable - Saturday

    Castle sets

    2C40 0610 Par - Penzance
    2P83 0739 Penzance - Plymouth
    2C44 0950 Plymouth - Penzance
    2P63 1240 Penzance - Plymouth
    2C48 1550 Plymouth - Penzance
    2P68 1832 Penzance - Plymouth

    2E75 1232 Plymouth - Exeter St Davids
    2C51 1750 Exeter St Davids - Penzance

    2P79 0540 Penzance - Plymouth‎
    2E87 0808 Plymouth - Exeter St Davids‎
    2N04 0934 Exeter St Davids - Newquay‎
    2A99 ‎1322 Newquay - Newton Abbot
    2P81 ‎1623 Newton Abbot - Plymouth
    2E47 1736 Plymouth - Exeter St Davids‎

    Classic sets

    2P42 ‎0524 Bristol Temple Meads - Plymouth ‎
    2C54 ‎1148 Plymouth - Penzance ‎
    2P64 ‎1430 Penzance - Plymouth ‎

    2Y02 0645 Bristol Temple Meads - Weston-super-Mare‎
    2U06 ‎0735 Weston-super-Mare - Cardiff Central
    2C71 ‎1000 Cardiff Central - Taunton
    2U16 ‎1207 Taunton - Cardiff Central
    2C81 ‎1500 Cardiff Central - Taunton
    2U26 1706 Taunton - Cardiff Central‎
    2C91‎ 1954 Cardiff Central - Bristol Temple Meads

    2U04 0723 Bristol Temple Meads - Cardiff Central
    2C69 0900 Cardiff Central - Taunton
    2U14 1104 Taunton - Cardiff Central
    2C79 1400 Cardiff Central - Taunton
    2U24 1607 Taunton - Cardiff Central
    2C89 1900 Cardiff Central - Taunton
    2M72 2135 Taunton - Bristol Temple Meads

    Summer timetable - Sunday

    Castle sets

    2C45 0726 Bristol Temple Meads - Penzance
    2E68 1337 Penzance - Exeter St Davids
    5C51 1824 Exeter St Davids - Plymouth (ECS)
    2C51 1943 Plymouth - Penzance

    2E66 1204 Penzance - Exeter St Davids
    2C49 1550 Exeter St Davids - Penzance
    2P96 2013 Penzance - Plymouth

    Classic sets

    2C43 0900 Plymouth - Penzance
    2C56 1437 Penzance - Bristol Temple Meads
     

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