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Hull Trains Suspend Services again - now resuming but with redundancies

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Just been announced in the last hour.

However First continue with their other open access project East Coast Trains.

Seems they don’t like Hull much, they’ve tried to pull the TPE operation out of there before(and Cleethorpes/Scarborough it must be said) like they did Blackpool Barrow and Windermere.
 
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They don't like Hull much but (First) have provided Hull with a service for 17 years? A place that other long distance operators didn't give a hoot about.
 

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Just been announced in the last hour.

However First continue with their other open access project East Coast Trains.

Seems they don’t like Hull much, they’ve tried to pull the TPE operation out of there before(and Cleethorpes/Scarborough it must be said) like they did Blackpool Barrow and Windermere.
What exactly are you expecting them to do?

Hull Trains, as an open access provider, don't benefit from the same funding that is being provided to the more traditional franchises… it doesn't seem unreasonable to expect that they would take action to protect their business (and workforce) during difficult times.
 

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Just been announced in the last hour.

However First continue with their other open access project East Coast Trains.

Seems they don’t like Hull much, they’ve tried to pull the TPE operation out of there before(and Cleethorpes/Scarborough it must be said) like they did Blackpool Barrow and Windermere.

The stark reality is that, after Thursday, there will be precious few if any passengers travelling as we all obey Boris. IIRC Hull Trains is a purely commercial operation and so unable to access the subsidy which currently allows the rest of the network to run. In that respect they are no different to express coach operations such as Megabus or the airlines, all of which will undoubtedly reduce services to reflect demand. The East Coast Trains project is still under development so planning can continue in the hope that eventually some form of restriction and muzzle free travel returns
 

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More interested in ECT now.

East Coast Trains isn't running.

Hull Trains is an open access service that doesn't receive the help other operators do. What on earth do you expect them to do?
 

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Hull Trains is an open access service that doesn't receive the help other operators do. What on earth do you expect them to do?

This. Fully expecting Grand Central to announce the same before Thursday.
 

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East Coast Trains isn't running.

They’re continuing to build it up for launch.
Both Universities in Hull remain open.
Retford gets half its intercity service from HT.
Take that away - what do YOU expect people to do?
 

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Retford gets half its intercity service from HT.

So the other half from LNER is more than enough to meet demand.
Both Universities in Hull remain open.

University students have been ordered to stay at uni until Christmas, so virtually no demand from students.
 

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Just remembered the DFT are handing £36 for every passenger on TPE, so there’s no shortage of money up Aberdeen Direction...
 

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They’re continuing to build it up for launch.

They won't launch it until it'll be profitable, though.

Both Universities in Hull remain open.
Retford gets half its intercity service from HT.
Take that away - what do YOU expect people to do?

I believe it's these three:
  1. Stay at home
  2. Protect the NHS
  3. Save Lives
Or to be a bit less trite, there will be hardly anybody travelling because for November we are returning to essential travel only (by both public transport and car, so it's not discriminatory), and of those who cannot avoid it the franchised operators will provide an adequate service.

Students aren't really relevant because they have been specifically asked not to head home during November.

What if some don’t have that option?

Use the service of the franchised TOCs.
 

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Really not sure how anyone can criticise Hull Trains for this - it's difficult to see what else they could realistically do. They are a business so cannot afford to run every train at a massive loss for weeks on end.
 

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Anyone who knows anything about how businesses operate understand that ‘liking’ or ‘disliking’ something are not usually connected to continuing (or in this case not continuing) doing business.
 

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Really not sure how anyone can criticise Hull Trains for this - it's difficult to see what else they could realistically do. They are a business so cannot afford to run every train at a massive loss for weeks on end.
Not HT David, First.
They’ve got Government money flooding in for their other operations so they’re not short.
Who knows a bit more, you?

I do know a bit about FG, yes...
 

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But not a great deal about business it seems, as evidenced by you banging on about a service that doesn't even exist.

A Business that is being built up at the expense of another..

If I wanted to do that sort of thing I’d be in the City of London by now.
 

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Seems they don’t like Hull much, they’ve tried to pull the TPE operation out of there before(and Cleethorpes/Scarborough it must be said) like they did Blackpool Barrow and Windermere.
The franchise was relet on different terms with different service patterns. It wasn't an operator 'pulling out of' Windermere, etc. I would have thought someone who knows "a bit about FG" would know that.
 

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Not HT David, First.
They’ve got Government money flooding in for their other operations so they’re not short.

So what? The fact that they have the same parent company is irrelevant.
 

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A Business that is being built up at the expense of another..

If I wanted to do that sort of thing I’d be in the City of London by now.

One business is being built up regardless because the date it is planned to commence is when this whole situation should be over. Granted we don't know that but with the investment made they have little choice but to continue in the hope things have recovered by the launch date.

The other business is currently running and has been effectively told there will be little or no passengers from Thursday. They aren't being propped up and cannot afford to cart fresh air around, any business is likely to do this regardless of their financial situation.

There is no relation between the two decisions at all. As an expert I thought you'd have realised this.
 

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Just been announced in the last hour.

However First continue with their other open access project East Coast Trains.

Seems they don’t like Hull much, they’ve tried to pull the TPE operation out of there before(and Cleethorpes/Scarborough it must be said) like they did Blackpool Barrow and Windermere.
Errm the DfT specify all that..... not First, judging by how much Firsts share price has crashed this year and hasn't paid a dividend to shareholders for nearly ten years I'd say there isn't as much money in Aberdeen as you seem to think....
 

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Not HT David, First.
They’ve got Government money flooding in for their other operations so they’re not short.


I do know a bit about FG, yes...

Not enough, evidentially.

OA operators have to stand on their own feet and can’t use “Government money“ which is just about keeping the former franchises heads above water.

There is naff all spare cash to be had at the moment and covering the fixed costs of a dormant OA operation is bad enough as it is. If it wasn’t for furlough, it would be a very bleak situation for all the current OA operations.
 
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