Hull Trains to stop running from 30/03 until further notice

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Hull Trains suspending operations this evening

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/new...l-services-safeguard-long-term-future-2521819
The train operator says it is not currently financially viable to run services between Hull and London, following the huge drop in passenger numbers since government guidance was issued telling people to stay at home.

But it says it intends to resume service as soon as it can.

The company said they were reliant on ticket sales and had to survive purely as a commercial operation.
 
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-52085249

Coronavirus: Hull Trains axes all services amid outbreak

Hull Trains is said to be the country's smallest train service

Hull Trains has axed all its services because of the "unprecedented circumstances" amid the coronavirus pandemic.

The firm said passenger numbers had "dropped significantly" since the government lockdown came into force.

Managing director Louise Cheeseman, said it was a difficult decision, but one which was necessary to safeguard the future of the business.

There will no service from Monday until the pandemic restrictions are lifted.

Hull Trains, thought to be Britain's smallest train company and employs about 130 staff, says it has not been offered additional financial support from the government, which franchised rail operators have.

Union bosses have told the firm they expect the firm's workers' wages to be guaranteed "at 100%".

"Hull Trains
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We are sorry to announce that Hull Trains is temporarily suspending all train services as a result of the current travel restrictions and low passenger numbers.

We will not be running any services on Monday 30 March 2020 until further notice. (1/2)"

Ms Cheeseman said: "We have explored every avenue to try and keep trains running, but sadly it is not currently financially viable to run our services.

"We fully intend to resume operations as soon as we can."

She said she hoped "our passengers" would understand the decision following what has been "a very difficult week".

"The move protects the long-term future of Hull Trains and our people's jobs, which is important as it will allow us to reinstate operations quickly when possible," she added.

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Mick Cash, general secretary of the Rail, Maritime and Transport union, said: "This decision affects 130 rail staff around the Hull area and they must be treated as an absolute priority.

"We expect the company and the government to guarantee wages at 100% and not some reduced rate and we also expect jobs, service, pensions and conditions for these rail staff to be fully protected throughout this crisis."
 

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What is the staff at Hull Trains being asked to do? Frontline like drivers, platform staff, managers etc
The RMT is demanding that they retain 100% pay and pensions/benefits etc carry in as normal. Whilst that doesn't surprise me, is it a reasonable stance? Presumably Hull Trains' staff would be entitled to the 80% wage from the government?
Mick Cash, general secretary of the Rail, Maritime and Transport union, said: "This decision affects 130 rail staff around the Hull area and they must be treated as an absolute priority.
"We expect the company and the government to guarantee wages at 100% and not some reduced rate and we also expect jobs, service, pensions and conditions for these rail staff to be fully protected throughout this crisis."
 

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The RMT is demanding that they retain 100% pay and pensions/benefits etc carry in as normal. Whilst that doesn't surprise me, is it a reasonable stance? Presumably Hull Trains' staff would be entitled to the 80% wage from the government?
The reason they're demanding it is that is what has been agreed for franchised TOC and NR staff should they need to be stood down for any period - full pay including allowances and no compulsory redundancies. Whether this is reasonable for effectively a private business is another matter.
 

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The reason they're demanding it is that is what has been agreed for franchised TOC and NR staff should they need to be stood down for any period - full pay including allowances and no compulsory redundancies. Whether this is reasonable for effectively a private business is another matter.
As a private business the 80% furlough scheme is presumably what will apply. They can't exactly strike over it!
 

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The reason they're demanding it is that is what has been agreed for franchised TOC and NR staff should they need to be stood down for any period - full pay including allowances and no compulsory redundancies. Whether this is reasonable for effectively a private business is another matter.
No, but they don't do reasonable.Up to a limit which is the equivalent of a £30k pa salary.

See: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/furloughed-self-employed-workers-discussion.202743/
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The RMT can demand what they want. It doesn't mean they will get it. After all, when the service is suspended a strike would be meaningless.
 

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The RMT can demand what they want. It doesn't mean they will get it. After all, when the service is suspended a strike would be meaningless.
I think that's the point. They can't do anything. I feel sorry for staff on open access operators. I have been looking for jobs around the country but I immediately ruled out any open access firm for these exact reasons. I dont know why anyone would leave a TOC to work for these companies but I'm sure plenty do. Grand Central recently took on a load for Blackpool. I wouldnt want to be in their shoes.
 

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I think that's the point. They can't do anything. I feel sorry for staff on open access operators. I have been looking for jobs around the country but I immediately ruled out any open access firm for these exact reasons. I dont know why anyone would leave a TOC to work for these companies but I'm sure plenty do. Grand Central recently took on a load for Blackpool. I wouldnt want to be in their shoes.
To be fair, they're going to be no worse than anyone else. Their salary will still be protected up to a £30k pa equivalent, which isn't a bad wage at all. I do a job that has huge responsibilities that pays less than that, and so do many others.

I do feel for them of course, and it's awful to be stuck at home and not to do the job you love doing, but it's not like they aren't being paid.

You are absolutely right though that working for an open access TOC does not have the same job security as working for a franchised TOC, but I'm confident their jobs will still be there at the end of this. The staff are great, and the demand for the service is strong. Hull Trains will bounce back when this is over.
 

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Just a thought though, taking a fleet of new trains out of service for ages will require a lot of maintenance eventually - especially on the diesel engines.
 

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Just a thought though, taking a fleet of new trains out of service for ages will require a lot of maintenance eventually - especially on the diesel engines.
That is a problem for Hitachi, not Hull Trains. Hitachi (and MTU) engineers will know how long the trains can sit idle for and possibly they will be sent out on test runs during the period they aren't being used for passenger services.
 

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Is there any reason why they didn't take the Emergency Measure package from the Government ?
 

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Is there any reason why they didn't take the Emergency Measure package from the Government ?
As far as I'm aware because they're classed as an open access operator it wasnt available to them. Grand Central therefore must be in the same position.
 

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That is a problem for Hitachi, not Hull Trains. Hitachi (and MTU) engineers will know how long the trains can sit idle for and possibly they will be sent out on test runs during the period they aren't being used for passenger services.
It's a problem for First Group too, as they will be the ones backing HT's rolling stock deal.
TPE has 3 fleets of new trains to pay for and keep in sidings for weeks.
The government is funding it all at the moment, but that won't last for ever.
 

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Mick Cash, general secretary of the Rail, Maritime and Transport union, said: "This decision affects 130 rail staff around the Hull area and they must be treated as an absolute priority.

"We expect the company and the government to guarantee wages at 100% and not some reduced rate and we also expect jobs, service, pensions and conditions for these rail staff to be fully protected throughout this crisis."
The RMT really doesn’t do itself any favours does it?! Fine for them to lay that down as a marker in a private message to the company but to put that out to the public, many of whom will be on the 80% or just hoping to keep their job.....
 

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The RMT really doesn’t do itself any favours does it?! Fine for them to lay that down as a marker in a private message to the company but to put that out to the public, many of whom will be on the 80% or just hoping to keep their job.....
I don't think they care what the public think. It's a completely different mentality to what most of us are used to. I couldn't imagine being a part of anything like that; it goes against everything I believe in. They'll never change.
 

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I don't think they care what the public think. It's a completely different mentality to what most of us are used to. I couldn't imagine being a part of anything like that; it goes against everything I believe in. They'll never change.
I certainly find it difficult when in the industry I work in (IT) there is a common understanding that people are needed to do all the roles in a business, be they the senior management or the cleaner, and therefore a common respect for each other that results in management not being unreasonable with staff and staff not making unreasonable demands from managers.
 

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Typical RMT release though.
and not some reduced rate.
The rate that millions of people up and down the country are having to deal with and initiated by government...

Anyway, it's obviously a shame for those staff but as a open access provider, with other options available they are not an absolutely essential service. Hopefully back up and running soon enough, but it will be interesting to see if they keep an eye on LNER demand as to when they make the call to come back.
 

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The RMT have to be seen to be doing something! Start high, then go lower. Could always find that it forces First into paying 10% on top of the 80% the government is putting forward. Yes, the rest of the country is having to deal with 80%, but their unions didn't kick up a fuss. the RMT is. Right or wrong, whether I morally think it's right or wrong isn't up to me, but I can see the logic behind it.
 
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