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Like the way you fleshed it out, but Highgate to Upper Holloway basically duplicates the Northern Line, while my suggestion of stations in Highgate Village and Parliament Hill Fields is virgin territory, and could join your route at Camden Road. Of course the NIMBY outcry against defiling the Village with a station would be rather loud ....
You'll never get planning permission for new stations in Highgate Village or Parliament Hill Fields because protesters will have a very strong argument that those are already well served by Highgate, Archway and Hampstead Heath stations. The Northern Line goes to Archway and does not connect with London Overground: hence Upper Holloway.
 
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You'll never get planning permission for new stations in Highgate Village or Parliament Hill Fields because protesters will have a very strong argument that those are already well served by Highgate, Archway and Hampstead Heath stations. The Northern Line goes to Archway and does not connect with London Overground: hence Upper Holloway.
Not to mention the construction involved in building what would be very deep platforms at Highgate Village.

Archway / Upper Holloway is an OSI, but they are about 400m distant from each other, so I take your point.
 

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Re-do the Circle Line so that it runs south of the river, connecting Waterloo etc. with the main line stations north of the river.
 

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Re-do the Circle Line so that it runs south of the river, connecting Waterloo etc. with the main line stations north of the river.
Why? Embankment station is a relatively simple change for Waterloo and Waterloo isn't that badly served by the Underground lines in any case.

I guess there is a point for universal access but it would be better spending money on lifts etc than moving the line to look better on a map.
 

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Why? Embankment station is a relatively simple change for Waterloo and Waterloo isn't that badly served by the Underground lines in any case.

I guess there is a point for universal access but it would be better spending money on lifts etc than moving the line to look better on a map.
Simply because if you were constructing it now that's what you'd (I'd) do, as a benefit to passengers so that they don't have to interchange. Come off at Aldgate or Tower Hill, past London Bridge and Waterloo then back up to St James's Park. How you do that with a sub-surface line rather than a deep-level tube line, I know not.

The only major station missed out is Marylebone; there's no Circle Line station close enough so you'd have to add one with a passageway under Great Central Street. I assume that's not a great idea; if it was it would have been done by now.
 

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The only major station missed out is Marylebone; there's no Circle Line station close enough so you'd have to add one with a passageway under Great Central Street. I assume that's not a great idea; if it was it would have been done by now.
A five minute walk from Baker Street along Melcombe Street - indeed, Marylebone is roughly the same distance from Baker Street as Euston is from Euston Square. Almost as close as the distance between St Pancras (MML) and King's Cross St Pancras (Victoria line).

Simply because if you were constructing it now that's what you'd (I'd) do, as a benefit to passengers so that they don't have to interchange. Come off at Aldgate or Tower Hill, past London Bridge and Waterloo then back up to St James's Park. How you do that with a sub-surface line rather than a deep-level tube line, I know not.
Fair enough, but very low down as a priority, even if there was unlimited money. I note that you are diminishing the value of the Circle line linking with Cannon Street and Charing Cross (and indeed with other places people want to go such as Covent Garden and Trafalgar Square). The purpose of the underground is not just to go to the mainline terminals, far from it.
 
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Simply because if you were constructing it now that's what you'd (I'd) do, as a benefit to passengers so that they don't have to interchange. Come off at Aldgate or Tower Hill, past London Bridge and Waterloo then back up to St James's Park. How you do that with a sub-surface line rather than a deep-level tube line, I know not.

The only major station missed out is Marylebone; there's no Circle Line station close enough so you'd have to add one with a passageway under Great Central Street. I assume that's not a great idea; if it was it would have been done by now.
If you were redoing it today, I suspect you'd position a single Circle Line station so one end accessed Baker Street and the other Marylebone.
 

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If you were redoing it today, I suspect you'd position a single Circle Line station so one end accessed Baker Street and the other Marylebone.
Indeed, and we wouldn't have to worry about wayleaves and similar these days so we could swing the tunnel a touch further north at Euston as well.
 

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you had sub surface stock to Heathrow and deep tube stock to Ealing Broadway.
If money was no object, presumably the Heathrow tunnels could be enlarged. S7s would be more suitable for airline passengers with luggage. You might also want to use the four track section off the line to Barons Court to miss some stations.
 

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If money was no object, presumably the Heathrow tunnels could be enlarged. S7s would be more suitable for airline passengers with luggage. You might also want to use the four track section off the line to Barons Court to miss some stations.
If money was no object, nobody would be forced to take a tedious and Underground service all the way to Heathrow :D
 

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I’d build a new tube line from Crystal Palace to Alexandra Palace, via Upper Sydenham, Lordship Lane, Honor Oak, Nunhead, Peckham, Camberwell, Elephant & Castle, Waterloo, Bank, then onto Moorgate up to Finsbury Park then partially fulfil the Northern Heights plan to Ally Pally,

Yes it’s ludicrous and expensive but it’ll have a great name: the Palace line :D
 

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I’d build a new tube line from Crystal Palace to Alexandra Palace, via Upper Sydenham, Lordship Lane, Honor Oak, Nunhead, Peckham, Camberwell, Elephant & Castle, Waterloo, Bank, then onto Moorgate up to Finsbury Park then partially fulfil the Northern Heights plan to Ally Pally,

Yes it’s ludicrous and expensive but it’ll have a great name: the Palace line :D
There is no advantage to attempting to incorporate the Waterloo & City or Moorgate lines in a new build line. It is beyond fantasy, a practical impossibility, and utterly pointless.
 
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There is no advantage to attempting to incorporate the Waterloo & City or Moorgate lines in a new build line. It is beyond fantasy, a practical impossibility, and utterly pointless.
The one advantage might be to win London crayonista bingo!
 

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I would incorporate the Thames Clippers into normal TFL ticketing. A great way to travel around the city.

Included in relevant Travelcards but at a higher Pay as You Go fare. Extend to Erith in the east with stops at Barking Riverside and Thamesmead and to Kingston in the west with stops at Teddington, Twickenham, Richmond, Brentford, Kew Gardens, Mortlake and Hammersmith.

RB1 - Erith to Westminster
RB2 - Woolwich to Westminster (peak only stopping only at Royal Wharf, North Greenwich, Greenwich, Canary Wharf, City Pier)
RB3 - Kingston to Westminster
RB4 - Kingston to Canary Wharf (Peak only stopping only at Twickenham, Hammersmith, Battersea, Westminster, City Pier)
RB5 - Kingston to North Greenwich (Tourist service with optional audio-visual commentary via headsets, off-peak only at a higher price than normal services but less than competitors as well as contactless and Oyster compatibility)

Canary Wharf Hilton service not included but the stop updated into a normal functioning stop.
 

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Well I suppose it would have to be after the Northern line split, when there should be substantial additional capacity.
A bit off-topic, but I suspect not much additional capacity is available. Morden-Kennington is already 28 (or 30?) tph at peek. 34~36 tph may be doable with better signalling and the split, but the capacity increase is not that large. The Victoria line has went from 28.5 tph to 36 tph since the introduction of the 2009 stock, so the capacity increase is comparable, but of course the Victoria line didn't see an extension.
 

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Like the way you fleshed it out, but Highgate to Upper Holloway basically duplicates the Northern Line, while my suggestion of stations in Highgate Village and Parliament Hill Fields is virgin territory, and could join your route at Camden Road. Of course the NIMBY outcry against defiling the Village with a station would be rather loud ....
Which is one of the reasons why Highgate station is a walk away....

Simply because if you were constructing it now that's what you'd (I'd) do, as a benefit to passengers so that they don't have to interchange. Come off at Aldgate or Tower Hill, past London Bridge and Waterloo then back up to St James's Park. How you do that with a sub-surface line rather than a deep-level tube line, I know not.

The only major station missed out is Marylebone; there's no Circle Line station close enough so you'd have to add one with a passageway under Great Central Street. I assume that's not a great idea; if it was it would have been done by now.
Baker Street to Marylebone takes 5mins to walk.

If you were redoing it today, I suspect you'd position a single Circle Line station so one end accessed Baker Street and the other Marylebone.
Yup

Scrap TfL and bring back LRT would be the best way.
Why?
 
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If money is no object...?

  • 4-track between Edgware Road and Paddington to completely separate the Baker Street-Paddington-Hammersmith trains from the Edgware Road-Paddington-Notting Hill Gate/etc. ones
  • More grade separation at Earls Court to fix the bottleneck there
 
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