I'm confused as to where all the trains fit at night...

[Tractor37]

NR
Allerton Depot
Ardwick Depot
Barrow Carriage Sidings
Blackburn King Street Depot
Blackpool North
Blackpool North Carriage Sidings
Bradford Interchange
Buxton
Carlisle
Chester
Cleethorpes
Crewe
Darlington
Doncaster
Doncaster West Yard
Harrogate
Harrogate Middle road
Heaton Depot
Holbeck Loco Sidings
Huddersfield
Huddersfield Sidings
Hull
Ilkley
Leeds
Liverpool Lime Street
Longsight Depot
Manchester Airport
Manchester Piccadilly
Manchester Victoria Reversing Siding
Neville Hill Depot
Newton Heath Depot
Preston Croft Street Sidings
Rochdale
Sheffield
Sheffield Carriage Sidings
Skipton Broughton Road Carriage Sidings
Stockport Carriage Sidings
Stoke-on-Trent
Southport
Wigan Springs Branch Depot
Wigan Wallgate
Wigan Wallgate Up Carriage Sidings
Workington Carriage Sidings
York

There’s another three to add
1) Bradford Forster Square
2) Selby (one unit in platform 3)
3) Skipton Lankey Road Siding
Otherwise a very good comprehensive list

 

[sd0733]

You can delete from the lists

ATW (doesn't exist any more)

Gloucester
Manchester Piccadilly
Newport
Swansea
Wrexham

There has been an odd one outbased at some of the locations on a Saturday night because line closures have prevented them from returning to an established location but in the current Timetable they seem to have been eliminated. Birkenhead North can be added to the list. Llandudno Junction (Platform 2) is weekend only.

They can be parked at any odd place in the case of Engineering Work, even Park Jcn for one last year when Ebbw Vale services were running to/from Pye Corner

Swansea does see a 150 stabled on a Saturday night, its dropped off by a 6 car with 4 continuing to Carmarthen and the 2 forming the first Swansea to Manchester on a Sunday morning.

Also, Piccadilly did see a 158 stabled overnight pre-covid. A driver passed up to prep it then it coupled onto the 13:30 departure, the same unit which overnights in Swansea to form a 4 car back. Since covid though it now ends up in Crewe and couples onto.it there on its.way up. Not sure if that will ever return now though.

 

[bramling]

There’s another three to add
1) Bradford Forster Square
2) Selby (one unit in platform 3)
3) Skipton Lankey Road Siding
Otherwise a very good comprehensive list

Many thanks, will duly amend.

Another thing which springs to mind with Northern, Hull Botanic Gardens doesn’t feature. I double checked to ensure I hadn’t missed anything, and it’s not there. Likewise there’s no timetable paths on or off the depot. Does stock booked to stable at Hull go to or from Botanic Gardens on an as required basis? I suspect same may apply to HT and TPE.

 

[30907]

Southeastern = wherever this is space haha.

But the more remote locations such as Bickley, Swanley and (?)New Beckenham/Beckenham Jn (not to mention Addiscombe Depot) have gone.

 

[Ceat0908]

I think ScotRail outberth at Helensburgh Central. Whilst not under usual times I have been at the station one weekend when engineering works cut it off from the network and every platform was full of 334's!

As an aside, back in 2010/2011, Oxley depot was either shut or inaccessible and a number of Pendolinos were holed up at Stafford for the night (I arrived to find a set in each of p5, p6 and the Royal Mail platform!)

Pre covid, was a 334 stabled at Helensburgh throughout the day before working a peak service to somewhere in the evening? Seem to remember that, may be wrong.

 

[Class 170101]

AGA
Bishops Stortford Carriage Sidings
Cambridge Carriage Sidings
Clacton
Clacton Carriage Sidings
Colchester Bridge Road (presume this is Up Clacton Siding)
Colchester Carriage Sidings
Colchester Sudbury Dock
Harwich International
Hertford East
Ipswich
Ipswich Carriage Sidings
Kings Lynn Carriage Sidings
Liverpool Street
Norwich Crown Point Depot
Norwich Royal Dock
Norwich Jubilee Sidings
Norwich Victoria Sidings
Orient Way Carriage Sidings
Parkeston Carriage Sidings
Southend Victoria Down Carriage Sidings
Southend Victoria Up Carriage Sidings
Stansted Airport

Colchester, Bishops Stortford, Cambridge and Southend Stations if you are including stations

 

[BigB]

All this talk of stabling made me look out the old Ian Allan Locoshed and Depot books - these also used to give information on what was stabled at stations etc. overnight or weekends. And how THAT has changed...
This thread made me realise that this isn't the first time since my 1980 book that I actually saw anyone write down in one place where stabling actually occurred for a very long time!

What an interesting thread!

 

[londonteacher]

SN
Barnham
Bognor Regis
Bognor Regis Middle Siding
Bognor Regis Sidings
Brighton Wall Sidings
Brighton Lovers Walk Depot
Caterham Up Siding
Dorking Down Siding
East Grinstead
East Grinstead Up Siding
Eastbourne
Eastbourne Carriage Sidings
Epsom Down Siding
Epsom Up Siding
Gatwick Airport Up Sidings
Horsham
Horsham Carriage Sidings
Horsham Down Sidings North
Horsham Up Siding South
Hove Yard
Littlehampton
Littlehampton Up Sidings
Littlehampton Shed
Oxted
Redhill Up Tonbridge Goods Loop
Selhurst Depot
Selhurst Field Sidings
St Leonards Depot
Stewarts Lane Berthing Sidings
Stewarts Lane Depot
Streatham Hill Down Sidings
Streatham Hill Shed
Tattenham Corner
Tattenham Corner Up Siding
Three Bridges Back Road
Three Bridges Tilgate Sidings
Three Bridges Up Horsham Siding
Three Bridges Up Siding North
Tonbridge Jubilee Sidings
Victoria
Victoria Battersea Pier Sidings
Victoria Up Carriage Sidings

GN/TL
Bedford Carriage Sidings
Bedford Cauldwell Depot
Bedford Jowett Sidings
Bedford Wash Road
Bellingham Down Sidings
Cambridge Carriage Sidings
Cricklewood South Sidings
Blackfriars
Brighton Down Sidings
Hertford North Up Sidings
Hornsey Depot
Horsham Field Sidings
Kings Lynn
Kings Lynn Carriage Sidings
Kings Lynn Stabling Sidings
Letchworth Carriage Sidings
Littlehampton Shed
Orpington
Orpington Down Carriage Sidings
Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings
Peterborough Spital Sidings
Preston Park Up Sidings
Rainham
Rochester
Rochester Down Loop (old station)
Sevenoaks Carriage Sidings
Three Bridges Down Depot
Three Bridges Up Depot
Victoria
Welwyn Carriage Sidings
Welwyn Garden City

On occasions you also see a Thameslink Class 700 at Plumstead.

 

[bramling]

TPE
Ardwick Depot
Cleethorpes (+ Cleethorpes Sidings)
Craigentinny Depot
Crofton Depot
Doncaster Carr Depot
Edge Hill Depot
Heaton Depot
Hull (+ Hull Botanic Gardens Depot?)
Longsight Depot
Polmadie Down Holding Sidings
Preston Croft Street Sidings
Scarborough Gas Works Depot
Sheffield
York Leeman Road Depot

HT
Bounds Green Depot
Hull

 

[Crossover]

Pre covid, was a 334 stabled at Helensburgh throughout the day before working a peak service to somewhere in the evening? Seem to remember that, may be wrong.

I don’t know, I’m afraid

 

[bramling]

XC
Bristol Barton Hill Depot
Cambridge Coldhams Lane Depot
Central Rivers Depot
Craigentinny Depot
Crofton Depot
Eastleigh Depot
Laira Depot
Leicester
Long Rock Depot
Longsight Depot
Neville Hill Depot
Tyne Yard
Tyseley Depot

XR (East)
Aldersbrook Up Carriage Sidings
Gidea Park Carriage Sidings
Ilford Depot
Shenfield
Shenfield Stabling Sidings

XR (West)
Maidenhead Carriage Sidings
Old Oak Common Depot

XR (Core)
Plumstead Sidings (future)

HX
(Old Oak Common Depot - pre 332 withdrawal - not any more)
Paddington
Reading Depot
West Ealing Carriage Sidings

GC
Crofton Depot
Ferme Park Sidings (not during C19 timetable)
Heaton Depot

CS
Aberdeen Clayhills Depot
Craigentinny Depot
Fort William Station Sidings
Inverness Depot
Polmadie Depot
Wembley Depot


NOTE:- I am more than happy for all this to be collated into a sticky thread, though it would be a bit of an ongoing task to keep it all up to date as things change on a constant basis. There's still GWR, EMR and ScotRail left to go, for which unlike all the listings to date I don't have any official info to work off. I'm happy to have a go from unofficial sources, however I may need some assistance at some of the complex locations. Alternatively if anyone has a set of diagrams or CWNs they are prepared to share by PM this would be gratefully received.

 

[221129]

XC
Bristol Barton Hill Depot
Cambridge Coldhams Lane Depot
Central Rivers Depot
Craigentinny Depot
Crofton Depot
Eastleigh Depot
Laira Depot
Leicester
Longsight Depot
Neville Hill Depot
Tyne Yard
Tyseley Depot

And Long Rock depot. (although not during COVID)

 

[bramling]

And Long Rock depot. (although not during COVID)

Many thanks - I will amend accordingly. There may be the odd omission across the board because of this, as I've tried to use up-to-date sources where poss.

 

[43055]

And Long Rock depot. (although not during COVID)

Long Rock is still used on Saturday Night/Sunday Morning for 1 unit which forms the 0933 to Newcastle on Sundays.

EMR in no particular order:
Leeds, Neville Hill (HST's)
Derby, Etches Park (180's, 222's, 15x, 170's)
Cricklewood Sidings (222's, 360's with HST's in the day)
London St Pancras (1 222)
Nottingham Station (15x's and 170's)
Nottingham, Eastcroft (15x's and 170's)
Crewe LNWR (15x's)
Lincoln Station (15x's)
Cleethorpes Station (153 for Barton Branch)
Norwich Crown Point (15x's)
Boston Sidings (15x's)
Kettering Stabling Sidings (360's)

 

[Tomnick]

Long Rock is still used on Saturday Night/Sunday Morning for 1 unit which forms the 0933 to Newcastle on Sundays.

EMR in no particular order:
Leeds, Neville Hill (HST's)
Derby, Etches Park (180's, 222's, 15x, 170's)
Cricklewood Sidings (222's, 360's with HST's in the day)
London St Pancras (1 222)
Nottingham Station (15x's and 170's)
Nottingham, Eastcroft (15x's and 170's)
Crewe LNWR (15x's)
Lincoln Station (15x's)
Cleethorpes Station (153 for Barton Branch)
Norwich Crown Point (15x's)
Boston Sidings (15x's)
Kettering Stabling Sidings (360's)

A solitary 15x at Leicester too.

 

[bramling]

GWR
(Note this has come largely from unofficial sources, I have some further work to do to double check some details. Any additions / corrections are most welcome)

Bristol Temple Meads Motorail Plat 2
Exeter Depot
Exeter New Yard
Exeter St David’s
Fratton Depot
Gloucester Carriage Sidings
Hereford Down Siding
Laira Depot
Long Rock Depot
North Pole Depot
Oxford Up Carriage Sidings
Par Chapel Siding
Penzance
Plymouth
Reading Depot
Redhill Loco Sidings
Reading Depot
St Philips Marsh Depot
Stoke Gifford Depot
Swansea
Swansea Maliphant Depot
Swindon
Swindon Cocklebury Sidings
West Ealing Carriage Sidings
Westbury DMU Sidings
Weymouth
Worcester Back Road
Worcester Hereford Siding

 

[Whisky Papa]

NR
Allerton Depot
Ardwick Depot
Barrow Carriage Sidings
Blackburn King Street Depot
Blackpool North
Blackpool North Carriage Sidings
Bradford Forster Square
Bradford Interchange
Buxton
Carlisle
Chester
Cleethorpes
Crewe
Darlington
Doncaster
Doncaster West Yard
Harrogate
Harrogate Middle road
Heaton Depot
Holbeck Loco Sidings
Huddersfield
Huddersfield Sidings
Hull
Ilkley
Leeds
Liverpool Lime Street
Longsight Depot
Manchester Airport
Manchester Piccadilly
Manchester Victoria Reversing Siding
Neville Hill Depot
Newton Heath Depot
Preston Croft Street Sidings
Rochdale
Sheffield
Sheffield Carriage Sidings
Skipton Broughton Road Carriage Sidings
Stockport Carriage Sidings
Stoke-on-Trent
Southport
Wigan Springs Branch Depot
Wigan Wallgate
Wigan Wallgate Up Carriage Sidings
Workington Carriage Sidings
York

Just for clarity (and my apologies if I've missed an explanation somewhere), I assume these include potential sites for occasional use during engineering works or other emergencies? I can see a few in there which I don't believe have regular timetabled stabling use - Bradford Interchange for one.

 

[PHILIPE]

GWR
(Note this has come largely from unofficial sources, I have some further work to do to double check some details. Any additions / corrections are most welcome)

Bristol Temple Meads Motorail Plat 2
Exeter Depot
Exeter New Yard
Exeter St David’s
Fratton Depot
Gloucester Carriage Sidings
Hereford (Down Siding?)
Laira Depot
Long Rock Depot
North Pole Depot
Oxford Up Carriage Sidings
Par Chapel Siding
Penzance
Plymouth
Reading Depot
Redhill Loco Sidings
Reading Depot
St Philips Marsh Depot
Stoke Gifford Depot
Swansea
Swansea Maliphant Depot
Swindon
Swindon Cocklebury Sidings
West Ealing Carriage Sidings
Westbury DMU Sidings
Weymouth
Worcester Back Road
Worcester Hereford Siding

Regarding Exeter St Davids please specify as Platform 2

 

[Tractor37]

Just for clarity (and my apologies if I've missed an explanation somewhere), I assume these include potential sites for occasional use during engineering works or other emergencies? I can see a few in there which I don't believe have regular timetabled stabling use - Bradford Interchange for one.

Bradford Interchange sees a 195 stabled overnight during the week in Wall Siding adjacent to platform 4.

 

[221129]

Regarding Exeter St Davids please specify as Platform 2

All the platforms can be used for stabling at Exeter.

 

[bramling]

Just for clarity (and my apologies if I've missed an explanation somewhere), I assume these include potential sites for occasional use during engineering works or other emergencies? I can see a few in there which I don't believe have regular timetabled stabling use - Bradford Interchange for one.

I’m going off what’s timetabled to be actually used, on one or more nights of the week. So there will be other locations used in emergency / engineering work / midday which aren’t listed.

IIRC Bradford Int is listed as having something stable there. I will double check when I have the paperwork in front of me later.

 

[Whisky Papa]

I’m going off what’s timetabled to be actually used, on one or more nights of the week. So there will be other locations used in emergency / engineering work / midday which aren’t listed.

IIRC Bradford Int is listed as having something stable there. I will double check when I have the paperwork in front of me later.

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't aware of anything stabling overnight at Bradford Interchange on a regular basis when I worked there, but things may have changed in the last three years. I was also not aware of anything of Northern's stabling at Southport - there certainly wasn't when I was planning the STP unit alterations for their NW area, but that is over a decade ago. The first train out of and last train into Southport ran ECS from/to Wigan Wallgate, where the crews were based. IIRC, the British Open was played at Royal Birkdale during that period, and on one morning when play started very early, the ECS move to Southport was run as an additional passenger service.

One location that was used then for STP purposes was Blackburn station: on occasions when the line over to Preston was shut for overnight engineering works, the last service from Manchester Victoria to Blackburn was stabled in the bay (P3) overnight instead of running ECS to Blackpool North. I can't remember the crewing arrangements, I'm afraid. Obviously this has since been rendered superfluous by the opening of the depot at Blackburn.

 

[bramling]

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't aware of anything stabling overnight at Bradford Interchange on a regular basis when I worked there, but things may have changed in the last three years. I was also not aware of anything of Northern's stabling at Southport - there certainly wasn't when I was planning the STP unit alterations for their NW area, but that is over a decade ago. The first train out of and last train into Southport ran ECS from/to Wigan Wallgate, where the crews were based. IIRC, the British Open was played at Royal Birkdale during that period, and on one morning when play started very early, the ECS move to Southport was run as an additional passenger service.

One location that was used then for STP purposes was Blackburn station: on occasions when the line over to Preston was shut for overnight engineering works, the last service from Manchester Victoria to Blackburn was stabled in the bay (P3) overnight instead of running ECS to Blackpool North. I can't remember the crewing arrangements, I'm afraid. Obviously this has since been rendered superfluous by the opening of the depot at Blackburn.

I will have a look at the actual diagrams later, however a quick look at RTT shows incoming services at Southport P5 & 6 and Bradford Int P4 with no return working until the morning.

The planning behind all this I have to admit I find quite fascinating, it’s like pieces of a massive jigsaw puzzle fitting together exactly perfectly.

And herewith the final instalment - ScotRail. Again, like with GWR, I have had to put this together from unofficial sources - so additions and corrections are welcome. I have no information for Eurostar, so if anyone wishes to do that then feel free!

SR
Aberdeen
Aberdeen Clayhills Depot
Airdrie
Airdrie Carriage Siding
Ayr
Ayr Townhead Carriage Sidings
Bathgate Depot
Cadder Yard (future)
Carlisle
Corkerhill Depot
Craigentinny Depot
Dumfries Yard
Dundee
Dundee DMU Sidings
Eastfield Depot
Edinburgh Waverley
Fort William
Glasgow Central High Level
Glasgow Queen Street
Gourock
Haymarket Depot
Helensburgh Central
Inverness
Inverness Depot
Kyle of Lochalsh
Lanark
Largs
Larkhall
Mallaig
Millerhill Yard
Motherwell Depot
Motherwell Derby Carriage Sidings
Motherwell Weighs Carriage Sidings
Oban
Perth
Shields Depot
Stirling
Stranraer
Tweedbank
Wemyss Bay
Wick
Yoker Depot

 

[Barnsley]

Many thanks, will duly amend.

Another thing which springs to mind with Northern, Hull Botanic Gardens doesn’t feature. I double checked to ensure I hadn’t missed anything, and it’s not there. Likewise there’s no timetable paths on or off the depot. Does stock booked to stable at Hull go to or from Botanic Gardens on an as required basis? I suspect same may apply to HT and TPE.

BG has a unit every night for an A exam, as units arrive in Hull, as many as time allows go to BG for fuel, then back to the station platforms for stacking up, 15x go in pairs, 170s go single, depending on how many 170s are arriving depends on how many you can get fuelled, its is not possible to fuel every Northern unit, then after the fitters have their break, Hull trains units go up for fuel, nights are interesting at Hull, I enjoy covering them when they are short staffed

 

[JonathanH]

XR (West)
Maidenhead Carriage Sidings
Old Oak Common Depot

TfL Rail also stable in the platforms at Reading when engineering work prevents late / early access to Maidenhead Carriage Sidings. Usually, the last down working from Paddington to Maidenhead runs empty to Reading and works 9P10 0603 Reading to London Paddington the following morning. Two units are sometimes stabled Saturday night / Sunday morning. Usual practice is however six units at Maidenhead overnight.

 

[bramling]

BG has a unit every night for an A exam, as units arrive in Hull, as many as time allows go to BG for fuel, then back to the station platforms for stacking up, 15x go in pairs, 170s go single, depending on how many 170s are arriving depends on how many you can get fuelled, its is not possible to fuel every Northern unit, then after the fitters have their break, Hull trains units go up for fuel, nights are interesting at Hull, I enjoy covering them when they are short staffed

Okay that’s roughly in line with what I suspected. Presumably same applies at Cleethorpes? Do TPE use Botanic Gardens as well?

 

[Watershed]

(+ Hull Botanic Gardens Depot?)

Trains are diagrammed to stable in the station (platforms), but will be taken to the depot for fuelling on an as-required basis. No maintenance is done.

Same goes for Scarborough I believe.

 

[Undiscovered]

TfW do stable overnight in P5 at Shrewsbury. It forms the first service to Cardiff.
For some reason RTT shows an ECS move being completed, but it doesn't and hasn't happened for a while now.

 

[PHILIPE]

TfW do stable overnight in P5 at Shrewsbury. It forms the first service to Cardiff.
For some reason RTT shows an ECS move being completed, but it doesn't and hasn't happened for a while now.

Looking at RTT I assumed that it came off Abbey Foregate attached to the 0518 to Birmingham International

 

[Barnsley]

Okay that’s roughly in line with what I suspected. Presumably same applies at Cleethorpes? Do TPE use Botanic Gardens as well?

Only if a 185 needs fuel, no maintenance is done, Siemens staff at Hull see to the toilets etc in the platforms at Paragon Station