Incident at Loversall Carr (Doncaster) involving two freight trains (05/07/22)

[Broken70]

Can't find a thread on this as yet,

This morning an incident involving 4E11 (GBRf) and 4E82 (Freightliner) occured in the Doncaster area around Loversall Carr Jn about 0630ish.

The trains have come into contact with one another. I'm keeping this vague at the moment as it's difficult to deduct fact and rumour just now.

Hope all involved are ok

 

[GB]

Thankfully no injuries but multiple wagons damaged/derailed on both trains and multiple containers damaged on 4E82.

 

[ExRes]

Suggested elsewhere that 4E11 came into contact with the rear of 4E82, no injuries and the main line unaffected

 

[bus man]

Understand that 66729 on 4E11 / 4E82 one driver released. Reports say Mainline is clear.

Hope all are OK thoughts with them.

 

[DanNCL]

I have seen a photo of the incident which I'm not able to share but I will describe it. 66729 appears to have come to rest on top of the rear wagon of the Freightliner working - the container on the rear wagon (which has derailed) has been almost entirely destroyed and the contents are scattered across the line.

 

[800001]

Driver walked free from train, taken to hospital by ambulance for precautionary checks.

 

[FrodshamJnct]

I have seen a photo of the incident which I'm not able to share but I will describe it. 66729 appears to have come to rest on top of the rear wagon of the Freightliner working - the container on the rear wagon (which has derailed) has been almost entirely destroyed and the contents are scattered across the line.

 

[tel]

OMG that looks horrible what a mess glad the driver is ok.

 

[martin2345uk]

What kind of line is that? Is it just leading into a terminal?

 

[FrodshamJnct]

 

[GB]

What kind of line is that? Is it just leading into a terminal?

It's a through line (down slow west) that comes off the the down and connects to the flyover line (don't know what its called) that then goes towards the down decoy and Royal Mail terminal and various other sidings and yards. It's on the signalling maps if you want to look.

 

[Efini92]

Certainly had some momentum.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

I guess that container was full of bunting and confetti bound for Nottingham, and poor 66729 just couldn't let it slide!

Joking aside, glad everyone involved seems to be okay.

 

[Snow1964]

Looking at that second picture of the four, is that some sort of small wheel, low floor twin container wagon, articulated in the middle.

It appears the loco is sitting on a flat, on top of the other flat wagon and it has risen up where there is the articulation, and no buffers.

Can’t comment on the containers, or even if back wagon was empty. But containers are only really strong at the corner posts, the rest is just framework (covered by thin panelling) to link the corner posts, so presumably will buckle quite easily if hit hard by a huge heavy locomotive.

Basic physics will tell you that in a heavy rear end collision, wagon cannot go down (track in the way), not easy to kink sideways (at least a metre of bulky frame either side of articulation), is fairly solidly built (so unlikely to crumple lengthways), so only option is to ride up on what is in front.

However the detail should be for Accident Investigators to appraise, so don’t want to speculate as to cause.

 

[swt_passenger]

Looking at that second picture of the four, is that some sort of small wheel, low floor twin container wagon, articulated in the middle.

Yes, it’s an FLA - (post #7 photo) they are a very low wagon overall with a raised outer end to carry the buffers and coupling hoses etc. I’m no expert but I think as well as some pairs they also come in sets of up to 5.

 

[Bigchris]

Yes, these are low floored FLA wagons with relatively small wheels. They're single wagons, not articulated, but in fixed sets, in this case it was a set of 5 that was on the rear. The outer wagons have buffers etc, the inner connections are fixed.

 

[357]

The railway rumor mill says the train was doing 18mph on impact.

 

[Signal_Box]

What kind of line is that? Is it just leading into a terminal?

Permission goods lines perhaps, 1st train at a stand on a red waiting time - 2nd train signalled in behind persuasively.

2nd train going into the back of the first…

Have a read of “big Jim’s adventures with GBRF” over on RMWeb.co.uk you’ll see the kind of shifts they work….and multiple train, taxi, train hopes they or he works.

 

[LOL The Irony]

This is GBRF's second incident in a week, isn't it?

 

[66701GBRF]

This is GBRF's second incident in a week, isn't it?

What is the other one?

 

[swt_passenger]

Permission goods lines perhaps, 1st train at a stand on a red waiting time - 2nd train signalled in behind persuasively.

2nd train going into the back of the first…

Have a read of “big Jim’s adventures with GBRF” over on RMWeb.co.uk you’ll see the kind of shifts they work….and multiple train, taxi, train hopes they or he works.

I think this should actually read permissive and permissively?

the modern curse of autocorrect strikes again presumably?

 

[LOL The Irony]

What is the other one?

They sent a container train through tunnels too small for some of the containers the other day somewhere near Perth iirc.

 

[matt]

What is the other one?

Out of gauge containers on the Highland Mainline hitting several bridges

 

[ainsworth74]

2nd train signalled in behind persuasively

The second train was certainly persuasive in its arguments relating to its right of way on that track

 

[Signal_Box]

What is the other one?

bridge bash up north somewhere ?

I think this should actually read permissive and permissively?

the modern curse of autocorrect strikes again presumably?

Auto correct is flap…

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Permission goods lines perhaps, 1st train at a stand on a red waiting time - 2nd train signalled in behind persuasively.

2nd train going into the back of the first…

Have a read of “big Jim’s adventures with GBRF” over on RMWeb.co.uk you’ll see the kind of shifts they work….and multiple train, taxi, train hopes they or he works.

From OTT looks like normal signalling and with D197 probably an auto won't be fitted with TPWS.

 

[Signal_Box]

From OTT looks like normal signalling and with D197 probably an auto won't be fitted with TPWS.

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I was thinking of an example like Wembley loops where you regularly queue up liners waiting for paths south.

I’m not up north so not familiar with the location. RAIB will be along for fully investigate.

 

[66701GBRF]

They sent a container train through tunnels too small for some of the containers the other day somewhere near Perth iirc.

Ah yes, of course.

 

[JGurney]

What Doncaster does in the morning, Westminster imitates hours later .....

 

[trainmania100]

A video has made its way to Facebook. Seems to open ok for me in a private window.
Nothing different to the pictures already shown, just shows it from a video perspective as it shows what the rest of the line looks like.

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Seems like quite an isolated section of track, I thought going by ott maps there might have been lots of other lines beside it but the video shows trees , must be behind them