Introduction of York to Scarborough Northern service

[Jack Hay]

Moderator note: Split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...s-what-actually-happened.168219/#post-4421183

What happened to the new Northern service promised for York-Malton-Scarborough?

 

[NoMorePacers]

What happened to the new Northern service promised for York-Malton-Scarborough?

It seems they've started driver training on the route.

 

[Glenn1969]

Coming in May- but with an uneven timetable that has the Northern service leaving York at xx15, 15 mins behind the TPE, then a 45 minute gap

 

[Peter Bonner]

Coming in May- but with an uneven timetable that has the Northern service leaving York at xx15, 15 mins behind the TPE, then a 45 minute gap

Is it an extension of the Blackpool to York service to Scarboro?. This isnt the most trustworthy of services atm. Can see it terminating at York on reg basis. Will tickets be interchangeable?

 

[Glenn1969]

No it's just a York- Scarborough shuttle

 

[Peter Bonner]

No it's just a York- Scarborough shuttle

In which case a total waste of resources. OK suppose it might be argued that it is an alternative to TPE but surely greater priorities.

 

[Llandudno]

Coming in May- but with an uneven timetable that has the Northern service leaving York at xx15, 15 mins behind the TPE, then a 45 minute gap

Sounds good, only 15 minutes to wait after TPE have cancelled their train!

 

[jayah]

Is it an extension of the Blackpool to York service to Scarboro?. This isnt the most trustworthy of services atm. Can see it terminating at York on reg basis. Will tickets be interchangeable?

With 1tph from Liverpool and one from Blackpool, perhaps there will be a fighting chance most hours that at least one will get through?

 

[Staffordian]

With 1tph from Liverpool and one from Blackpool, perhaps there will be a fighting chance most hours that at least one will get through?

The Northern service will be a shuttle between York and Scarborough - not an extension of the Blackpool service, so will be insulated from delays elsewhere on the network.

 

[Peter Bonner]

The Northern service will be a shuttle between York and Scarborough - not an extension of the Blackpool service, so will be insulated from delays elsewhere on the network.

Presumably Northern get a share of York to Scarboro revenues? If so that cd be the motivation. In summer may be justified but not so sure in wintertime.

 

[yorkie]

Presumably Northern get a share of York to Scarboro revenues?

Once they start running, of course.

If so that cd be the motivation.

I don't understand.

In summer may be justified but not so sure in wintertime.

It's a franchise commitment to run the service all year round.

 

[SuperNova]

Sounds good, only 15 minutes to wait after TPE have cancelled their train!

93% PPM at Scarborough in the last 4 weeks... just saying.

 

[blackfive460]

93% PPM at Scarborough in the last 4 weeks... just saying.

The improvement we saw in January was only thanks to the planned cancellation of other services elsewhere. Have a look at the PPM figures for any other month in the last year or so and you'll see a rather different picture!

 

[BoroAndy]

With the Scarborough to Hull service too, wonder if they will start a Scarborough depot. After all they will have more trains an hour from there than TPE.

 

[gledhill56]

With the Scarborough to Hull service too, wonder if they will start a Scarborough depot. After all they will have more trains an hour from there than TPE.

And give the residents of Scarborough more idling trains to complain about? Probably not

 

[Peter Bonner]

With the Scarborough to Hull service too, wonder if they will start a Scarborough depot. After all they will have more trains an hour from there than TPE.

I believe all Scarboro Northern services start/end in Hull so no depot at Scarboro (yet). 0533 Hull to Scarboro forms first southbound service.

Until recently-2018-a Northern dmu stayed overnight at Scarboro and TPE drivers and conductors worked on the branch to Hull for Northern early and late.

 

[SuperNova]

The improvement we saw in January was only thanks to the planned cancellation of other services elsewhere. Have a look at the PPM figures for any other month in the last year or so and you'll see a rather different picture!

And the majority of those services are now back in the working TT. Performance has remained good, not great, but positively good bar incidents out of TPE's hands.

 

[geoffk]

Now showing in RTT from May 2020. Use of platform 2 at York will avoid crossing the ECML. Times will be xx15 from York and xx10 from Scarborough. TPE times are xx00 and xx34, probably about the best intervals that can be achieved in view of TPE's longer layover at SCA. Even so the up and down Northern trains are timed only 5 minutes apart at Malton's single platform!

 

[ainsworth74]

Yes the timed from Scarborough are near as damn it perfect for 2tph but it is a shame that from York it's not spaced a bit further but still. A big boost to that line. I guess in summer they'll be very popular and useful!

Northern have a pair of 142s at York currently for route learning so I'm quietly confident that this will launch this May.

 

[SHerr]

Yes the timed from Scarborough are near as damn it perfect for 2tph but it is a shame that from York it's not spaced a bit further but still. A big boost to that line. I guess in summer they'll be very popular and useful!

Northern have a pair of 142s at York currently for route learning so I'm quietly confident that this will launch this May.

There has been a pacer running on the York to Scarborough line this week so I am assuming the route learning mentioned here has commenced.

now to start the rumours that they are the intended traction!!!

 

[Adam0984]

158s running out of Heaton is the current traction. Down from Heaton 2 days on the Scarborough and back to Heaton. In practice who knows what will actually happen

 

[twpsaesneg]

There has been a pacer running on the York to Scarborough line this week so I am assuming the route learning mentioned here has commenced.

now to start the rumours that they are the intended traction!!!

Last week too.... was looking wistfully at it when it pulled in while waiting for a cancelled TPE service in the freezing wind!

 

[scarby]

I saw 142071 on these training runs this week. For a short period it was on platform 2, A 68 - Mk 5s on platform 1 in service, another 68 + Mk 5s for some reason sitting idle on platform 3 and the Hull/Sheffield service on platform 4. Long time since I've seen the station that busy in March.

Now on Saturdays in summer we'll have the St Pancras service sitting there most of the day, plus the TPE and Northern York line services and the Hull line service. Throw in a Saturday railtour and all 5 platforms could be in use at some moments!