I don't understand the point you are making. And learning a lesson cannot prevent someone being held up in a delay that was not of their making. Does anyone think £223 is fair in the example I gave? As no-one has attempted to justify such a charge I will assume not So are we all agreed that the current system is unfair, but the disagreements are over how to implement it? Of course agreeing an alternative that suits all will not be easy, and I suspect the status quo will remain, with most cases like that resulting in leniency, and those that don't will provide ammunition for the media against the TOCs. I do like kwvr45's idea that the ticket should have some value for up to 1 hour after departure. If such a scheme is not adopted then I would like to see the expensive APs scrapped, and I would also like to see all TOCs forced to have the same policy as Virgin with half-price SVRs available on all applicable trains. All Advance fares should be capped at a decent amount less than the appropriate walk-on price for that leg.