Bantamzen
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As a result of what?
As a result that you yourself say you get little satisfaction from going to pubs, whereas my social circle is quite the opposite.
As a result of what?
You can disagree with my argument of course, but the fact that I don't have a need to regularly drink in pubs, isn't a rational reason to disagree with it.As a result that you yourself say you get little satisfaction from going to pubs, whereas my social circle is quite the opposite.
Yes, it is time to relax within the next month or so. By the time the app is up and running those that get the alert will have to isolate - this bit needs enforcing.
However if we can all now have a test, why 14 days isolation? Book a test as soon as you get the alert, get tested and once the results are back (several days?) it's either more isolation or back to normal depending on the result.
You can disagree with my argument of course, but the fact that I don't have a need to regularly drink in pubs, isn't a rational reason to disagree with it.
Sadly, we seem to be rushing into normality, constantly comparing the UK to countries who are either a) way ahead of us or b) have nowhere near comparable deaths. Denmark is the prime example as they've had 550 deaths.
It's better to be cautious. As clearly, we've not been properly prepared at any step in dealing with this.
Sadly, we seem to be rushing into normality, constantly comparing the UK to countries who are either a) way ahead of us or b) have nowhere near comparable deaths. Denmark is the prime example as they've had 550 deaths.
It's better to be cautious. As clearly, we've not been properly prepared at any step in dealing with this.
But we should be looking at countries who are "far ahead of us". We have the advantage of looking at countries like Spain and Italy who had their peak infections and deaths 2 to 3 weeks earlier than we did. They are now reopening their bars and restaurants so it's fair to assume that we should be looking to reopening ours in 2 to 3 weeks' time.
Yes, it is time to relax within the next month or so. By the time the app is up and running those that get the alert will have to isolate - this bit needs enforcing.
However if we can all now have a test, why 14 days isolation? Book a test as soon as you get the alert, get tested and once the results are back (several days?) it's either more isolation or back to normal depending on the result.
I'd enforce that bit by each test being possible to be booked using the app, having a unique code/number, generated by the app, which is then inputted with the test result onto the central servers by the labs. This would identify each test result to the person/phone and tell the person to either continue isolating (positive) or return to normal (negative). As a non techie, is this possible?
2 things need to be in place - testing capacity and police to check on those isolating - using bluetooth it could be non invasive.
Yes, it's not possible for those without smartphones. And it's open to abuse. But this lockdown can't last forever.
Meanwhile, life would return to normal.
Agreed. I doubt Easyjet will be telling people they can only travel if it's essential. Meanwhile I'm not allowed to trundle around on an empty eight car EMU?The minute they let full planes take off in any number the credibility of Social Distancing becomes untenable and in my view should be abandoned. You are not going to get 1m never mind 2m separation, so the question in reality becomes academic.
You have misunderstood my statement. Just because I personally am not dependent on visiting pubs (or consuming alcohol anywhere for my pleasure), I do still go to them. Some of my friends do and sometimes I also go with them, so I am aware of the way that they can see the difference between bars visited on holiday and meeting regular acquaintances in a local, (it has been discussed on more than one occasion). I also know them well enough to say that they also don't think that their desire to go to a pub is more important than the need to constrain the infection rate of COVID-19, especially in the short term. It seems from some of the poosts on this forum that there are some who do think otherwise.A rational reason not to agree with you is that you are not a regular drinker in pubs, and therefore you are not necessarily best positioned to make comment on the type of people using them and how they might move forward. ...
Denmark can afford to do this because it acted quickly at the start. The UK simply did not, and we're now paying the price of the failure to act fast enough.Relax to 1m on 1st June I say
Denmark is being sensible.
It's madness for us not to fall into line.
Denmark can afford to do this because it acted quickly at the start. The UK simply did not, and we're now paying the price of the failure to act fast enough.
What do you suggest then? 2m is not viable!Denmark can afford to do this because it acted quickly at the start. The UK simply did not, and we're now paying the price of the failure to act fast enough.
Essentially, people generally listen to the authority in Sweden. The societal differences are fairly large.What about Sweden then ? - The Joker in the pack !!
Until the UK gets down to the same level of increase in deaths & infections as Denmark did when it reduced social distancing, we simply can't afford to. If you're going to point at Denmark and say "we should do what they're doing", the circumstances have to be somewhat comparable. This is your example, not mine.What do you suggest then? 2m is not viable!
As long as it takes.How long would you be prepared to wait?
Indefinitely is not viable.As long as it takes.
Setting an arbitrary date because another country that dealt with the virus much, much better did it is not viable.Indefinitely is not viable.
The current test seems to have a 30% false negative rate according to reports, though the government has not released any figures so this may or may not be the case. If this figure is correct then relying on a negative test result to show one is covid free and relaxing all other restrictions looks like a step towards exponential growth returning.
Public opinion has pretty consistently been pro-lockdown and I would hazard that it remains as such. The current levels of restrictions (in England) seem to me to be the sweet spot, people are allowed outside as long as they're sensible, certainly alleviates the cabin fever of the past 2 months. Come back to me in another month when the virus has continued to trend downwards and then it might be the right time to consider further loosening, the virus is still way too prevalent in the community to throw open the floodgates nowWe're going round in circles but I'm telling you the we cannot do this as a long term thing and it won't happen. It would get to a point where people won't stand for it.
You said that we should follow the example of Denmark, despite the fact that the UK's cmpletely botched response to COVID-19 means we're a good fortnight or so away from having a comparable rise in infection, death rate, and R-number.We're going round in circles but I'm telling you the we cannot do this as a long term thing and it won't happen. It would get to a point where people won't stand for it.
From discussions with medical and testing lab friends; the actual test will give a highly accurate reading of the sample contains, but it's difficult to get a good sample.
The way the UK's trajectory is going, some restrictions could be eased in 2-4 weeks. I would not class that as long term.
If the government continues to respond in the way it has done so far, we might have to.The fact is that 2 metres is not consistent with WHO guidelines and is not viable longer term. If it gets ditched in 2 weeks then that's just about acceptable. 4 weeks is not ideal but we may get away with that. No way can it continue into July though.
We won't; it's just not viable. People won't stand for it.If the government continues to respond in the way it has done so far, we might have to.
So you keep saying...We won't; it's just not viable. People won't stand for it.
Public opinion has pretty consistently been pro-lockdown and I would hazard that it remains as such. The current levels of restrictions (in England) seem to me to be the sweet spot, people are allowed outside as long as they're sensible, certainly alleviates the cabin fever of the past 2 months. Come back to me in another month when the virus has continued to trend downwards and then it might be the right time to consider further loosening, the virus is still way too prevalent in the community to throw open the floodgates now