Italys NTV starts AGV service

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It seems Luca di Montezemolo has an interesting life, running the greatest motorsport team in the world and a train company! Now he has Italy's fastest trains, perhaps he can get back to work at his day job and bring Ferrari's F1 cars up to the pace of Red Bull and the other top teams.
 

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At the moment NTV are only running two services each way per day on the Milano - Bologna - Firenze - Roma - Napoli route but hope to introduce a full regular service next year on all of their routes (originally it was by the end of the year).
Trenitalia have recently cut their cheapest Mini fares to 9€ to compete with Italo (whose cheapest fares are much higher) but these fares are usually only available on a couple of trains a day on many routes.
Trenitalia have also ended their long standing co-operation with SNCF (Artesia consortium) after SNCF bought a 20% stake in NTV - what a coincidence!
 

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Thanks for the link to the official website, Oscar.
I was looking for any interior shots, those hi-res panoramas are even better.
 

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Nah, he runs Ferrari. Ron Dennis runs McLaren... :D
Except he doesn't, he was shuffled across to McLaren's road car division after McLaren were caught using Ferrari technical data to build their car!

Reinhold Joest runs a better race team than McLaren.
 

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Except he doesn't, he was shuffled across to McLaren's road car division after McLaren were caught using Ferrari technical data to build their car!

Reinhold Joest runs a better race team than McLaren.
Joest Great Western, Joest Capital Connect... (sorry couldn't resist!)

Mind you if he ran TOC's as good as his race teams over the years.... food for thought :D

Saying that though we've had enough moans about the germans running our trains!
 

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It looks like the Japanese bullet train, except in burgundy. Europeans are so lucky to have an intricate high speed rail system.
At most it has a passing resemblance to some of the Shinkansen models. It is very much its own design!
 

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At most it has a passing resemblance to some of the Shinkansen models. It is very much its own design!
I reckon it looks more like a slimmed down TGV Duplex nosecone, with a nice little tribute to the LNER A4 in the styling on the side!

Shinkansen trains look far more interesting, probably the only trains in the world where a serious amount of time and energy is spent on the exterior styling.
 

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I reckon it looks more like a slimmed down TGV Duplex nosecone, with a nice little tribute to the LNER A4 in the styling on the side!

Shinkansen trains look far more interesting, probably the only trains in the world where a serious amount of time and energy is spent on the exterior styling.
I really like the design of the AGV, and IMO I couldn't think of a better livery to put one in: I've always been extremely keen on deep red liveries, such as Thalys and Railjet. I'd like to see AGVs ordered for HS2, but by the time that opens the AGV will be an outdated design!

Mind you, the Italo AGV interiors look plain nasty, if you ask me, heurgh: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6505902195/in/set-72157628404089055

It's certainly true that a heck of a lot of thought appears to go into the styling of the Shinkansens, and an AGV looks naught like one (Any of them)!
 
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At most it has a passing resemblance to some of the Shinkansen models. It is very much its own design!
Interesting stuff on it, they streamlined the roof for extra performance (structurally its flat then they bolt on the curved panels), nose is supposed to be 15% more efficent than the TGV or something.
 

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I really like the design of the AGV, and IMO I couldn't think of a better livery to put one in: I've always been extremely keen on deep red liveries, such as Thalys and Railjet. I'd like to see AGVs ordered for HS2, but by the time that opens the AGV will be an outdated design!
I can't see why updated British-spec versions of the AGV family should be outdated when HS2 finally needs them. The ICE-3 first entered service in 2000, move forward over 12 years to now and you have the slightly evolved Velaro versions of what is really the same train still being manufactured, with more of them still to come. The TGV Duplex design also had a pretty long life between the first units built and last units built. Whether the AGV becomes outdated in that time also depends on something better coming along!

Whether AGV is suitable for HS2 would probably depend on the passenger capacity. A TGV Duplex has 45% more capacity compared to a single-deck TGV Réseau of equal length, but this increase would probably be smaller if it needs to be redesigned for British-style high platforms.
The AGV would gain extra capacity compared to a TGV Réseau because it's an EMU rather than trailing coaches with non-revenue power cars at each end, further reducing the advantage of a TGV Duplex. So it could be that the AGV capacity may actually end up being close enough to a TGV Duplex that the traction advantages of an EMU, the faster loading times and better accessibility of single-deck cars could make it a better option overall than double-decked trains in the TGV Duplex style.
Interesting stuff on it, they streamlined the roof for extra performance (structurally its flat then they bolt on the curved panels), nose is supposed to be 15% more efficent than the TGV or something.
The void between the flat roof and the added fairings contains the HVAC equipment, among other things.

While it's not as artistic a design as any Shinkansen model ever, it has obviously spent a serious amount of time in the wind tunnel under the care of proper aerodynamicists. No streamlining for style going on here.
 
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