Julian Assange: Sweden drops rape investigation -

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  1. najaB

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    BBC News report:
    Julian Assange: Sweden drops rape investigation
    Is this the end of Julian's relevance?
     
  2. Arctic Troll

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    Or a thank you from Drumpf?
     
  3. DarloRich

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    should still be arrested for failing to surrender.
     
  4. Dave1987

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    How many millions have we spent on this? Just let him go and be done with it.
     
  5. DarloRich

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    he has committed a crime. The authorities would not let you or I go so why should he get away with failing to attend court and for showing a great deal of disrespect to our courts?
     
  6. Arglwydd Golau

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    What is the crime? I thought that he was concerned that he would be summarily extradited to the US if he returned to Sweden to attend court ie the allegations in Sweden were trumped (!!) up.
     
  7. BestWestern

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    He's in Ecuador. He isn't wanted there, if he was they'd have arrested him. Whether a system which denies a the authorities access to a wanted person within their own borders is appropriate, is a different discussion of course!
     
  8. DarloRich

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    he has failed to answer a summons to a UK court. I don't care what he thinks might happen to him after that or what excuse he has for hiding away. He is legally obliged to present himself to court when instructed to do so.

    I repeat - if you or I failed to attend court a warrant would be issued for our arrest and we would be arrested by the police as soon as we were recognised. It happens all the time.

    Why should Assange not face the justice?

    Clearly i mean when he leaves the embassy. He can not be arrested until he does.
     
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    Please detail what crime he has committed in this country? If the US or Sweden believe he has committed crimes in their countries then the can foot the bill for policing the embassy around the clock. If they want him so badly they will pay else let him go and live in political exile in Ecuador.
     
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    No we have played puppets for the US and Sweden, and the British taxpayer has foot the bill. Let him go to Ecuador, else present the US with the policing bill!
     
  11. DarloRich

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    see above: failing to surrender to a court

    we have enforced the law of our country. You or I would be arrested for this offence. Why do you think Assnage should not be?

    We spent millions & years trying to get Ronnie Biggs back to finish his sentence. Was that wrong? He was on the run for ages after a violent crime & after going over the wall - perhaps we should have just let him off.
     
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    So what we just keep paying to police the embassy around the clock? Let him go, get rid of him. Do you believe the MPS would spend the millions they have spent on this if your house was burgled? Of course they wouldn't. Huge waste of taxpayers money. Get rid of him!
     
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    Wonder how many nurses could have had a decent pay rise off of the money spent on this eh? Utterly ridiculous. Present Sweden and/or the US with the bill or get rid of him. Enough money has been wasted.
     
  14. DarloRich

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    A specious argument.

    I will repeat. You or I would be arrested. Your view is that Mr Assnage should not be because he has caused the police to spend lots of money. I don't agree that should be a consideration. The integrity of the justice system is more important.

    Your view is that after a certain ( but unclear) level of spending justice should not be enforced. perhaps this pair should have been let go as the costs were too high:

    BBC:
    what will happen is this: A deal will be done. He will surrender after the diplomats suggest he does one asap. he will be arrested. He will be given a judicial dressing down. He will be fined and get a suspended sentence. He will complain in the media.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39869370
     
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    Surely this is evidence of a need for some sort of diplomatic machinery by which perpetual immunuty forever can be avoided. The 'home soil' arrangements for embassies around the world are surely not intended to provide a means of escaping justice within a country's own borders.
     
  16. DarloRich

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    do we have an extradition treaty with Equador? Is this any different from all those "lags" who went to Spain in the early 80's? is it any different from the lags hiding in Northern Cyprus today?
     
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    In the embassy, I believe he's not technically in the UK and thus our laws don't apply.
     
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    A popular myth! Embassies are not extraterritorial. Our laws certainly do apply.

    The reason police will not enter an embassy is because of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations:

    Article 22. The premises of a diplomatic mission, such as an embassy, are inviolable and must not be entered by the host country except by permission of the head of the mission. Furthermore, the host country must protect the mission from intrusion or damage. The host country must never search the premises, nor seize its documents or property.
     
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    So, the laws do apply but they're irrelevant really!
     
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    Well, sort of; they are perfectly relevant, because once the suspect leaves the embassy they can be arrested.

    Assange can't stay in there forever, but if he does, it'll be fun. He is a plonker.
     
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    If I thought I was going to spend the rest of my life as a political prisoner in the psychological hell of a US high security prison camp merely for the crime of "failing to surrender to a court" I would do anything fair or foul, legal or illegal to escape that fate and I would be right to do so.

    The charges he faced in Sweden were laughably trumped up nonsense as anybody can easily find out from multiple sources.
     
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    I'm not a lawyer and I don't know the stories of the two women involved. But if Assange has been accused of committing rape, he should be tried for it. The fact he has been hiding out in the Ecuadorian embassy is ridiculous for all sides.
     
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    If Assange had nothing to fear or hide, then he should have went to Sweden a the first opportunity to clear his name, and if in the process he then got extradited to the US then so be it.

    By hiding in the Ecuadorian Embassy for 5 years to me, he has got something to hide.
     
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    You actually think he'd have got a fair trial in the US? He'd have got a show trial like Manning.

    By hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy he has evaded a show trial and possible torture in the US - it's more than justified and kudos to Ecuador for doing so.

    Your post reads like Teresa May wrote it as justification for her ongoing fight against personal privacy. Assange should be treated similarly to Snowden (still in exile in Russia I believe)

    If you've nothing to hide feel free to PM me your forum password :)
     
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    Except all the stuff about the US is a conspiracy theory smokescreen.

    The UK is known for being one of the most accommodating countries when it comes to extraditing to the US, why would they need him to go to Sweden to extradite him when they could do so from here?

    The Swedish extradition request was made under the European Arrest Warrant. That says if a third country wants a person, both of the countries involved in the original extradition have to agree. So we'd still have to agree to him being extradited to the US, where's the benefit?

    Finally, if the US doesn't care about the rule of law and it will just be a show trial, why didn't they have the CIA black bag him rather than this extraordinarily convoluted scheme?
     
  26. Hornet

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    Send the bill to Assange. He is the one who got himself into this pickle. No-one else to blame.
     
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    So why didn't he go to trial to argue that, then?
     
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    I suppose it depends on your world view EM2.

    If you think that the US Security State plays by the rules and is only interested in justice then yes Assange should have played by the rules.

    If however you believe that the aforesaid US Security State lies, cheats and kills with impunity and is essentially evil incarnate, then perhaps you might think differently and do everything possible to keep yourself from their wicked clutches.
     
  29. najaB

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    If Assange cared about anything more than his own skin he wouldn't have run. He would have advanced the cause of truth, justice and the American way much more effectively by letting them embarrass the Government by letting them have their show trial if that's what they wanted.

    By hiding all he has done is make himself look guilty.
     
  30. Busaholic

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    Assange really is a tedious little plonker, and no-one on the left should continue to advance his cause, whatever that might be.
     

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