Krupps Tunnel locos to St Pancras 1st November 17?

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https://twitter.com/EuropeanRailTT/status/925443727056949248
https://twitter.com/EuropeanRailTT/status/925443727056949248



European Rail Timetable said:
We have been reliably informed that the GBRf operated train, hauled by a Class 92 formed of the 7 SNCF Orient-Express coached, will be coming through the tunnel and arriving at Dollands Moor Yard this evening.

It will then be arriving at St Pancras International on Thursday morning (0115 hrs) by two Eurotunnel Krupps locomotives, running around outside the station before pulling in at platform 10.

The train will remain at St Pancras International until Friday morning (0020 hrs).

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R02295/2017/11/01/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R02296/2017/11/03/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R02295/2017/11/01/advanced
 
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My guess is to have the locos on the correct side of the train for the trip back to the continent. It's hard to run around while the train is at the platform in STP.
 

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It's also consistent with the previous two continental train visits. Also, I do wonder if a 92 could couple to the Wagons-Lits stock?
 

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No idea - that's why I'm asking.

Whenever I have seen the VSOE at Paris Est it seems to have had a Class 26000 Sybic on it.
 

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It says that a 92 will be bringing it through the tunnel...
 

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I wonder how much will be visible to the public at St. Pancras?

According to information elsewhere, the locos have to be at the country end of the set as locomotives are not allowed at the blocks of the international platforms as St. Pancras for due to weight restrictions.
 

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I suspect aside from any other operational reasons [there is some suggestion re weight restrictions as per Tim R-T-C's post], GBRf (or DB for that matter) don't have "spare" 92s that could sit in St Pancras tied up for 36 hours (the train goes in tonight, doesn't leave until tomorrow night).

The move is T'n'T (to be able to haul the train back out) so needs two locos (as is the formation that's already been set up at D Moor with the Krupps). Currently GBRf's 92s are working the china clays, Class 700/707 stock moves, the Dagenham-Garston carflow and the Sleeper... added to that NR's lack of railhead treatment in Scotland has put two of them out of action with wheelflats and two more are in Brush for Dellner mods. I'm not sure if DB were ever in the running, but if they were, they're down to 4 locos at the tunnel (016 withdrawn/019 long-term repair in Crewe) - so their fleet is flat out too. Neither GBRf nor DB could afford to have 2x 92s in St Pancras on a Wed/Thu/Fri and still service their regular work/clients.
 

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Why have these coaches come to the UK?
There's a new film being premiered (this week I think) called "Murder on the Orient Express" - based on the Agatha Christie novel - lots of major "A-list" starts in it (Ken Brannagh, Dame Judi Dench etc.)

Apparently one of the coaches is one that Agatha Christie was using when she was on an Orient Express that stopped in the middle of nowhere and (allegedly) got the inspiration for the novel. I'm not sure how much of that is based on actual fact though!
 

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The move is T'n'T (to be able to haul the train back out) so needs two locos (as is the formation that's already been set up at D Moor with the Krupps). .
I got the impression from the original Tweet quoted in the original post that the Krupps would run round the train outside the station and propel it in, but that may not be permitted.
 

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I got the impression from the original Tweet quoted in the original post that the Krupps would run round the train outside the station and propel it in, but that may not be permitted.
I heard that too - and there is almost an hour in the timings between the last timing point (York Way South Jnc) and it arriving at St P. Seems like a lot of kerfuffle though! The Krupps are 90 tonnes (vs 92 at 126 tonnes) - so a bit lighter, but may still be above this weight limit that's been mentioned.

But then I'm not sure why the train (per the photos from NIGHTSHIFTWORKER at Dollands Moor) is set up T'n'T if the leading loco needs to run round?

Not sure if it's a factor, but the Krupps aren't exactly aesthetically pleasing, so probably good for the PR that they're down the country end.
 

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I heard that too - and there is almost an hour in the timings between the last timing point (York Way South Jnc) and it arriving at St P. Seems like a lot of kerfuffle though! The Krupps are 90 tonnes (vs 92 at 126 tonnes) - so a bit lighter, but may still be above this weight limit that's been mentioned.

But then I'm not sure why the train (per the photos from NIGHTSHIFTWORKER at Dollands Moor) is set up T'n'T if the leading loco needs to run round?

Not sure if it's a factor, but the Krupps aren't exactly aesthetically pleasing, so probably good for the PR that they're down the country end.
This implies it's a PR event to promote the film, but it seems to me a bit of a challenge to separate the PR people and guests from the regular passengers going through security etc.
 

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I wonder how much this one-off cost?

A relatively small proportion of the film's promo/marketing budget I suspect...

...and a small fraction of Ken Brannagh's fee for the movie!
 

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The Krupps are 90 tonnes (vs 92 at 126 tonnes) - so a bit lighter, but may still be above this weight limit that's been mentioned.

Weighing in at around 140 tonnes, I take it we'll never ever see see a class 45 back at the stops in London St Pancras then? :(
 

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I wonder how much will be visible to the public at St. Pancras?

According to information elsewhere, the locos have to be at the country end of the set as locomotives are not allowed at the blocks of the international platforms as St. Pancras for due to weight restrictions.
I popped along out of interest a couple of hours ago and the locomotives were not with the coach set at all. They were parked together just north of the station. They were visible from the Somerstown Bridge just beyond the entrance to Camley Street nature reserve. The coaches were visible from the buffer end of the station and also from the concourse for the Kent high speed services.
 

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Great stuff - nice photos. Wonder what the weight of a 373 power car is vs Krupps loco? Can't find the data but likely to be in same ball park! Anyway no need to spoil the view with a krupps at the buffers!
 

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Hat tip to the production company for arranging this.
Looks good to see continental rolling stock in the UK.

Now if VSOE could get the stock Tunnel approved, that would be amazing ;)
 

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Great stuff - nice photos. Wonder what the weight of a 373 power car is vs Krupps loco? Can't find the data but likely to be in same ball park! Anyway no need to spoil the view with a krupps at the buffers!

A 373 power car is 68.5 tonnes.
 

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Shame they travelled without passengers really - could have formed a more modern text - The 2017 'Murder on the Orient Express'
 

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Shame they travelled without passengers really - could have formed a more modern text - The 2017 'Murder on the Orient Express'

Forget the Orient Express, let her investigate the 'murderous HS1 supplement on the Javelin' instead. It's a killer...
 
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