Leeds - Wigan via Rochdale. (NRE itinerary mystery)

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  1. Ivo

    Ivo Established Member

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    Can someone explain this?

    Attempting a search for Leeds to Wigan via Rochdale, I have found a very peculiar anomaly. Essentially, NRE indicates that changing trains only at Manchester Victoria on this route is not permitted, even though there are obviously trains between LDS-MCV and MCV-WGW. However, it *is* suggesting that this is permitted if you also change train at Salford Crescent for a service to Southport, again via WGW.

    How does this work? How can this work?

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    To further confuse the issue, it is now saying that if you travel on an NT RCD-WGW service, even from MCV, the ticket is valid without change!
     
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  3. yorkie

    yorkie Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    How does NRE make this claim?
    Permitted routes for Leeds-Wigan are as follows:-

    Valid Routes from Leeds [LDS] to Wigan North Western [WGN]:

    1. Direct trains from Leeds to Wigan Wallgate
    2. Shortest Route: 61.25 miles
      • Leeds
      • Dewsbury
      • Mirfield
      • Deighton
      • Huddersfield
      • Slaithwaite
      • Marsden (Yorks)
      • Greenfield
      • Mossley (Manchester)
      • Stalybridge
      • Ashton-under-Lyne
      • Manchester Victoria
      • Salford Central
      • Salford Crescent
      • Swinton (Manchester)
      • Moorside
      • Walkden
      • Atherton
      • Hag Fold
      • Daisy Hill
      • Hindley
      • Ince (Manchester)
      • Wigan Wallgate
    3. Mapped Routes:
      LEEDS GROUP - WIGAN GROUP:



    Permitted routes are not affected by where you change trains.
    Again, I can only say that permitted routes are not affected by this, though if the entire journey can be made without a change then it's valid without consulting the RG.

    I don't bother using the National Rail website to check for itineraries because:
    1) It can't sell tickets anyway;
    2) It will give itineraries that are not valid on one ticket, which then means you have to check whether multiple tickets are required;
    3) It's difficult to use, in my opinion.

    The journey you want is valid on maps WY + GM + NW
    WebTIS is happy to sell an itinerary changing at [stn]MCV[/stn].
     
  4. Lampshade

    Lampshade Established Member

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    Cracked it!

    It's basically telling you the cheapest combination is to split at Manchester Victoria, buy a LDS - MCV CDS @ £14.70 then a MCV - WGW single @ £3.50, which is altogether cheaper than the through fare (£19.30).
     
  5. yorkie

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    But it's claiming that you "need" to buy two tickets for the journey, and I can't find any other journeys where it offers a combination of tickets in order to undercut the cost of one ticket.
     
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