Levenmouth to reopen

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  1. Class83

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    From Glenrothes (i.e. Thornton) to Haymarket; via Dunfermline seems to be 56mins, via Kirkcaldy is 57 or 58 mins. Those are 'all stops' times, there are a couple of faster ones, but they omit stops. So for stoppers there's not a great deal of difference.
     
  2. edwin_m

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    If the Cowdenbeath terminator was extended to Levenmouth then it might skip Lochgelly and Cardenden so would be a bit quicker than that time. It would also give passengers between the new line and Kirkcaldy or beyond a reasonably direct route changing at Glenrothes, though I haven't tried to work out whether that would work without losing the near-even service intervals on the Fife network.

    However if the Levenmouth service ran via Kirkcaldy then passengers for the Dunfermline route would have to change there and double back several miles, and some existing journey opportunities would be lost (unless an extra path into Edinburgh could be found). So extending the Cowdenbeath seems the logical thing to do.
     
  3. railjock

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    My fault for assuming the Dunfermline route would be slower. Is there a still extant formation that allows the Levenmouth line to access the Dunfermline line without using, and impacting the ECML?
     
  4. mcmad

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    No, but the impact of using the Kirkcaldy services would be similar.
     
  5. InOban

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    First, can I add my congratulations, for what they're worth.
    I don't know who were the experts who suggested a new stabling facility, but I assume that they must have spoken to Abellio/Transportation Scotland. It is somewhat crazy that all the Fife DMUs are based at Haymarket, which is a very constrained site near the centre of a city with very high house prices, and there must be hundreds of miles of ECS working every day.
    A facility in Fife might start with secure sidings with facilities for fuel, water and toilet emptying, but I'm sure additional maintenance areas could be added. It's just a pity that all capital expenditure is caught up in the present political mess.
     
  6. och aye

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    It is always fantastic to see parts of the country being reconnected to the railway network. So congratulations to all those involved to getting the campaign to this stage.

    Hopefully it will give other railway campaigners a good morale boost in their attempts to get stations back in their part of the country.

    Do we know if the scheme is planned to be completed within CP6?
     
  7. overthewater

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    what will the Fife Heritage railway do now since the tracks are going back into commercial use.
     
  8. Bald Rick

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    CP6 would be rather ambitious.
     
  9. duffield

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    My impression is that they are situated entirely in the Kirkland sidings and don't run on the 'main line' so they shouldn't necessarily be affected, but it's not entirely clear and I may be wrong.

    Edit: Further inspection of the satellite photos seems to bear this out with the 'main line' almost completely overgrown but the sidings clear for about 0.5 miles which is the line length mentioned on the website.

    They could potentially get a NR connection but I expect it would be too expensive.

    Of course, NR might want the sidings for the possible depot...
     
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    They aren't all there overnight though, some of the workings start in service from stabling at Perth and Dundee.
     
  11. InOban

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    Ok, almost all are based at Haymarket overnight. But stabling in the Thornton area still makes sense.
     
  12. St Rollox

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    Respect to those over the years that have fought to get this line open.
     
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    I thought it was in the Morpeth Curve thread, but you only quoted £200m+ for two or three miles. It was somewhere this year.
     
  14. LMRC

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    Thanks to those recognising the huge commitment by the Campaigners. The Levenmouth reopening was driven by the community campaign. We appreciate support from Fife Council and the elected reps but we'd still be in the wilderness if not for the pressure from the Campaign backed by the community (eg the lead local Councillor mentioned the reopening of the line was the issue most raised on doorsteps which is remarkable). So hope for other campaigns with a very strong case. Sadly we cannot dissolve it, since the same community voice and pressure is needed for the next stage

    Interesting information being posted on here which is helpful for that next stage of the Campaign. A few points re those raised
     
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    To respond to some specific points raised:

    -The Minister committed to reconnecting Levenmouth in CP6 and would like this sooner than at the end of the 5 years, it’s an example of the new pipeline approach. Mind you, if there a Chinese rail contractor, I’d imagine it might not take more than a long weekend.
    -The Fife Heritage Railway is not directly affected. They own 21 acres on the edge of Leven adjoining the line and with track of their own. They said there is sufficient trackbed from Mountfleurie into Leven for 4 tracks so could envisage shorter services in future. A regular rail connection would undoubtedly bring more visitors to their site plus the potential to run/ receive steam excursions.
    -A Fife rail depot is needed, according to experts, to reduce empty running of trains in/out of Fife first and last thing. In addition current Edinburgh and Perth services are cramped but there are other considerations. For example, drivers based in Edinburgh are easily recruited by rail companies elsewhere we were told but this may slightly reduced if they were more locally than city based. Informally we understand Thornton might still preferred to Leven but we’d love to have the economic/high wage boost of a depot here
     
  16. och aye

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    :lol:

    Also great to hear that the Scottish Government/Transport Scotland are going to try and get the line reconnected within CP6.
     

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