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Life after the end of "lockdown" 2.0

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There just seems to be a complete disconnect between the stated aim of reducing
SAGE seem to think that it's acceptable to destroy the industry to get the numbers down a bit (how much of it it actually achieves is open to question)
Not much if Glasgow’s anything to go by, pubs have been closed for 2 month’s already and they’ve still gone into full lockdown
 
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Unfortunately Starmer is very pro lockdown and he will back Johnson to get these damaging restrictions through. I doubt that any labour MPs will have the backbone to go against him.

Starmer was pro lockdown much earlier than it is now but doing only a 2 week lockdown and when you look at Northern Ireland and in particular Wales cases, I very much doubt a 2 week lockdown in September would of achieved much.
 

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Indeed. We have some areas which have Tier 3, then lockdown and will no doubt be going into a new tier 3, which will be a lockdown in all but name. It means that the previous lockdowns haven't worked.

As ever, if it clearly doesn't work the answer is that we need more of it. And if that doesn't work, even more (see also masks, etc). The concept that it actually doesn't work whatever you do, and a new strategy is therefore required, seems to be one which they are unable to understand.

I wonder who they mean by 'someone else'? Random member of the public, 'Covid marshal', police, the army?

Apart from that part though, the only real surprise is that this 'creeped' so quickly from 'international travel' to 'walking down the street'. I expected them to go via public transport, shops, workplaces, etc. first.

I remind everyone that the idea of a 'freedom pass' (or as the PM called them, 'enabling tests') has been openly declared government policy since at least early September.

At some point we're going to have to decide what type of society we want to live in. And if we don't want to live in a Chinese-style social credit system where your freedom is entirely dependent on the say-so of the Government and an app on your phone - and I certainly don't - we need to make that *very* clear, and *very* soon, before we sleepwalk into exactly that.

It is indeed very disturbing. Is it likely to happen in practice though? I'm sure the government would like it to - but with their well-proven incompetence, the ability to test everyone in the country twice a week seems extremely unlikely to be feasible.
 
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It is indeed very disturbing. Is it likely to happen in practice though? I'm sure the government would like it to - but with their well-proven incompetence, the ability to test everyone in the country twice a week seems extremely unlikely to be feasible.

Its only 134 million tests, only need to increase what they are managing now by about 58 times.
 

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So as from next week depending upon my tier I can go into a stadium with 3999 strangers but can't go out for a drink with the person j share a bed with
 

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BBC reporting that the Tier allocations will be reviewed every 14 days, and the regional approach will last until March. Though have to wait until Thursday for more details.
 

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The Telegraph article linked up-thread is pretty close - the idea that if you test negative, you can be in closer contact with others in certain circumstances. Seems like this might be a stepping stone into the full-blown idea that The Telegraph referred to in that article.

Can we travel out of our area on public transport?

By the sounds of it, Tier One restrictions are now the same as Tier Two, Tier Two same as Tier Three. IIRC, you're not advised to move outside your area in the old tier three, so I'm guessing if your area is in the new tier two you won't be allowed to.
 

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The Telegraph article linked up-thread is pretty close - the idea that if you test negative, you can be in closer contact with others in certain circumstances. Seems like this might be a stepping stone into the full-blown idea that The Telegraph referred to in that article.



By the sounds of it, Tier One restrictions are now the same as Tier Two, Tier Two same as Tier Three. IIRC, you're not advised to move outside your area in the old tier three, so I'm guessing if your area is in the new tier two you won't be allowed to.

Thanks :'( . I wonder if it's still only "advisory" or verboten.
 

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The Telegraph article linked up-thread is pretty close - the idea that if you test negative, you can be in closer contact with others in certain circumstances. Seems like this might be a stepping stone into the full-blown idea that The Telegraph referred to in that article.



By the sounds of it, Tier One restrictions are now the same as Tier Two, Tier Two same as Tier Three. IIRC, you're not advised to move outside your area in the old tier three, so I'm guessing if your area is in the new tier two you won't be allowed to.
I know this is one of my biggest bugbears but for the umpteenth time, it is, will be and always has been perfectly legal to travel outside your local area by public transport throughout the pandemic. "Advised against" or "frowned upon" maybe but it's never been illegal within England at least.
 

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I know this is one of my biggest bugbears but for the umpteenth time, it is, will be and always has been perfectly legal to travel outside your local area by public transport throughout the pandemic. "Advised against" or "frowned upon" maybe but it's never been illegal within England at least.

That's good enough for me then.
 

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Unfortunately Starmer is very pro lockdown and he will back Johnson to get these damaging restrictions through. I doubt that any labour MPs will have the backbone to go against him.
He hasn't given unqualified support this time as he's not convinced what is being proposed is appropriate response compared to full lockdown.

So as from next week depending upon my tier I can go into a stadium with 3999 strangers but can't go out for a drink with the person j share a bed with
Only if your in Tier 1. If your in Tier 2 at least it will only be 1999!! oh and you will need to have a substantial meal whatever that is if you want a drink. Of course if your (un)lucky enough to be in Tier 3 its dead simple - nothing is allowed
 

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He hasn't given unqualified support this time as he's not convinced what is being proposed is appropriate response compared to full lockdown.

Because just like the vast majority of politicans throughout this situation, he hasn't got a clue. If he had his way we would still be in the first lockdown.
 

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Boris better hope that the vaccination programme really does start next week.
 

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I know this is one of my biggest bugbears but for the umpteenth time, it is, will be and always has been perfectly legal to travel outside your local area by public transport throughout the pandemic. "Advised against" or "frowned upon" maybe but it's never been illegal within England at least.

It's one of my bugbears too! Don't get me wrong, I'm a proponent of being able to travel outside of your area, and I'd be lying if I said I hadn't done it fairly regularly for 'leisure purposes' after the first lockdown ended.
 

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If anyone wants to read the 64 page Conservative Party manifesto Covid-19 Winter Plan they can do so here.
 

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Who else is feeling Covid fatigue? I maybe selfish but I want to go back to normal, my mental health has tanked and it wasn’t so strong to begin with, I really feel that the government at this point are deliberately messing with us psychologically.

I’ve been doing regular zoom calls with my friends and my mother and my aunt are my bubble, but I live alone during the week it’s become really difficult to look forward to anything, I’m using Feb/March as a point of when life will return to normal, I will have moved to a new flat by then, nearer to my family.

Sorry for dumping this on people I’m just feeling low right now
 

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That's good enough for me then.
Looks as though pubs are being targeted yet again. Only worse this time. All to shut in Tier 3 and open in Tier 2 only if they serve meals. A lot will go to the wall this time probably unless we all get writing to our MPs.
 

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I see hotels have to close under 'new' Tier 3. That's going to make planning a holiday rather tough, as who knows what tier a place will be in a few weeks in the future :(
 

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I see hotels have to close under 'new' Tier 3. That's going to make planning a holiday rather tough, as who knows what tier a place will be in a few weeks in the future :(

So, many people won't bother. And as a result many hotels will go bust.

But of course the clueless fools in Westminster don't care - their tokenistic posturing to pretend that they can "beat the virus" is now the only game in town.
 

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So, many people won't bother. And as a result many hotels will go bust.

But of course the clueless fools in Westminster don't care - their tokenistic posturing to pretend that they can "beat the virus" is now the only game in town.
What we need is enough MPs with backbone from both sides of the house to stand up and vote this down.
 

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What we need is enough MPs with backbone from both sides of the house to stand up and vote this down.

Some Tories will no doubt vote against it, but not enough to block it. Have any Labour MPs actually voted against restictions at any point?
 

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What we need is enough MPs with backbone from both sides of the house to stand up and vote this down.

Some Tories will no doubt vote against it, but not enough to block it. Have any Labour MPs actually voted against restictions at any point?
The last I saw was 70 Tory MPs opposed/not planning to vote for it, on the condition of seeing evidence that the restrictions will save more lives than they claim. This won't be enough to stop the passage of measures on the basis of opposition support, but IIRC this is an increase on the vote for lockdown, where there were 32 against and 21 abstentions (total 53 not in favour).
 

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Some Tories will no doubt vote against it, but not enough to block it. Have any Labour MPs actually voted against restictions at any point?
Certainly none actively rebelled against Lockdown 2.0 to the best of my knowledge
 

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Some Tories will no doubt vote against it, but not enough to block it. Have any Labour MPs actually voted against restictions at any point?

Not the regulations, no, not so far. Not heard a single one say anything about *reducing* restrictions, though a number seem to spend their lives calling for more.

A handful of Labour MPs voted against renewing the Coronavirus *Act*, but I'm not sure it was entirely clear why they did so.
 

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Who else is feeling Covid fatigue? I maybe selfish but I want to go back to normal, my mental health has tanked and it wasn’t so strong to begin with, I really feel that the government at this point are deliberately messing with us psychologically.

I’ve been doing regular zoom calls with my friends and my mother and my aunt are my bubble, but I live alone during the week it’s become really difficult to look forward to anything, I’m using Feb/March as a point of when life will return to normal, I will have moved to a new flat by then, nearer to my family.

Sorry for dumping this on people I’m just feeling low right now
Don't feel bad. A lot of us are in the same boat and I do find this thread encouraging. Sometimes you feel as though you're the only one who thinks this all is wildly disproportionate and damaging. Hang in there!
 
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